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<body topmargin=0 leftmargin=0 marginheight=0 marginwidth=0> <table cellpadding=0 cellspacing=0 border=0><tr> <td valign="top" colspan=2 height=90 BGCOLOR="#006699" TEXT="#080000" background="600fd5a3.jpg"> <div> <FONT SIZE="5" COLOR="#000000" FACE="Arial" ><B>About me</B></FONT><B>    </B><B> |     </B><A HREF="index.htm" TARGET="_top" TITLE="About me"><B>home</B></A></div> <div> <A HREF="id249.htm" TARGET="_top" TITLE="Details"><B><IMG SRC="5a40e0e0.png" border=0 width="14" height="14" ALT="up" ALIGN="BOTTOM" HSPACE="0" VSPACE="0"></B></A><B>   </B><IMG BORDER="0" SRC="1x1.gif" HEIGHT="14" ALIGN="BOTTOM" HSPACE="0" VSPACE="0" WIDTH="14"><B>     </B><A HREF="id169.htm" TARGET="_top" TITLE="Incubation"><B><IMG SRC="5a50e0e0.png" border=0 width="14" height="14" ALT="previous" ALIGN="BOTTOM" HSPACE="0" VSPACE="0"></B></A><B>  </B><A HREF="id155.htm" TARGET="_top" TITLE="Aviculturist"><B><IMG SRC="5a60e0e0.png" border=0 width="14" height="14" ALT="next" ALIGN="BOTTOM" HSPACE="0" VSPACE="0"></B></A></div> <div> </div> </td> </tr><tr> <td valign="top" width=210 BGCOLOR="#FFCC66" TEXT="#080000" background="601d2b03.jpg"> <div> Cherane's answers on -bird-breeders- in October,November and December of 2000.  The messages are NOT edited .</div> <div> Messages unedited from -bird-breeders-  of which I answered or gave my opinions.</div> <div> I hope my answers or opinions will assist others with food for thought for care of their birds.</div> <div> <I>In presenting these pre-posted messages, I hope to share </I></div> <div> <I>with the readers of this site a glimpse of the helpful </I></div> <div> <I>information I have shared with the very people who have </I></div> <div> <I>created the need for the attorney letter which is also </I></div> <div> <I>found in these pages. </I></div> <bR> <div> <I>Any admonishments to others for giving advice to bird </I></div> <div> <I>breeders were the result of some fundamental ideas: </I></div> <bR> <div> <I>1) Though we may share our personal experiences, we do </I></div> <div> <I>not have the right to practice veterinary medicine </I></div> <div> <I>without a license. </I></div> <bR> <div> <I>2) "First, do no harm." In using nutritional </I></div> <div> <I>supplements, vitamins, herbal treatments, alternative </I></div> <div> <I>methods for your own birds, you should be well informed </I></div> <div> <I>about the product being used and contraindications. If </I></div> <div> <I>you are breeding birds, you can't wait until it is too </I></div> <div> <I>late to get information about and equipment for hatching </I></div> <div> <I>your eggs or feeding your babies.</I></div> <bR> <div> <I>3) "Give credit where credit is due." Aviculturists </I></div> <div> <I>should show professional courtesy.</I></div> <bR> <div> <I>4) Keep the law and stay honest. Twisting the facts is </I></div> <div> <I>telling a lie.</I></div> <bR> <div> <I>5) Personal confidences and sharing should be guarded by </I></div> <div> <I>both parties. </I></div> <bR> <div> <I>6) It is good to be proud of your personal </I></div> <div> <I>accomplishments, and to be happy.</I><FONT SIZE="4" COLOR="#0000FF" FACE="Comic Sans MS" ><B> </B></FONT></div> </td> <td valign="top" height=390 width="100%" BGCOLOR="#FFFFFF" TEXT="#080000"> <div> <FONT SIZE="5" COLOR="#003333" FACE="Arial" ><B>About me</B></FONT>     |     <A HREF="index.htm" TARGET="_top" TITLE="About me">home</A></div> <bR> <div> <TABLE BORDER="0" CELLPADDING="1" CELLSPACING="1" WIDTH="627" BORDERCOLORLIGHT="#C0C0C0" BORDERCOLORDARK="#808080" FRAME="VOID" RULES="NONE" HSPACE="0" VSPACE="0" > <tR> <tD VALIGN=CENTER BGCOLOR=#0000FF HEIGHT= 20 WIDTH="293"><div> <B>Messages</B><FONT SIZE="3" COLOR="#000000" FACE="Arial" > </FONT></div> </tD> <tD VALIGN=CENTER BGCOLOR=#0000FF WIDTH="327"><div> <B><U>Messages Help </U></B></div> </tD> </tR> </TABLE></div> <bR> <bR> <div> Methyl Sulfonyl Methane</div> <bR> <bR> <bR> <div> --- In -Bird-Breeders-@yahoogroups.com, SheWolf@H... wrote:</div> <div> Bellow is some information (link) regarding this supplement for </div> <div> animals. </div> <div> this will give you an idea about this product and if you want to talk </div> <div> about </div> <div> this with your avian veterinarian. </div> <bR> <div> <TABLE BORDER="0" CELLPADDING="1" CELLSPACING="1" WIDTH="627" BORDERCOLORLIGHT="#C0C0C0" BORDERCOLORDARK="#808080" FRAME="VOID" RULES="NONE" HSPACE="0" VSPACE="0" > <tR> <tD VALIGN=TOP HEIGHT= 20 WIDTH="173"><div> Subj:</div> </tD> <tD VALIGN=CENTER><NOBR><div> <B>Fwd: Re: [-Bird-Breeders-] FEATHER PLUCKING </B></div> </NOBR></tD> </tR> <tR> <tD VALIGN=TOP HEIGHT= 19 WIDTH="173"><div> Date:</div> </tD> <tD VALIGN=CENTER><NOBR><div> 10/15/2001 7:10:18 AM Eastern Standard Time</div> </NOBR></tD> </tR> <tR> <tD VALIGN=TOP HEIGHT= 19 WIDTH="173"><div> From:</div> </tD> <tD VALIGN=CENTER WIDTH="447"><div> <U>AvianConsultancy@aol.com</U></div> </tD> </tR> <tR> <tD VALIGN=TOP HEIGHT= 19 WIDTH="173"><div> To:</div> </tD> <tD VALIGN=CENTER WIDTH="447"><div> <U>cherane@aol.com</U></div> </tD> </tR> <tR> <tD VALIGN=CENTER COLSPAN=2 BGCOLOR=#C0C0C0 HEIGHT= 19 WIDTH="621"><div> <I>Sent from the Internet </I><FONT SIZE="3" COLOR="#0000FF" FACE="Arial" ><I><U>(Details)</U></I></FONT></div> </tD> </tR> </TABLE></div> <bR> <bR> <div> --- In -Bird-Breeders-@yahoogroups.com, SheWolf@H... wrote:</div> <div> In a message dated 12/20/00 8:01:21 AM Eastern Standard Time, </div> <div> singers@q... </div> <div> writes:</div> <bR> <bR> <div> > </div> <bR> <div> I hope I understand this correctly that a bird is after his </div> <div> feathers. Might </div> <div> I suggest a couple of things you might do that will not interfere </div> <div> with your </div> <div> qualified avian vets medical procedures and make your bird more </div> <div> comfortable </div> <div> even if it does not work?</div> <bR> <div> One...Make sure your house has enough humidity. If anything below 35 </div> <div> relative humidity can cause your bird to be very dry and really cause </div> <div> major </div> <div> problems with health, let alone it is not good for humans either. If </div> <div> at all </div> <div> possible bring your house up to 40 relative humidity.</div> <bR> <div> The one practice I've heard to remedy low humidity and to 'help' </div> <div> birds with </div> <div> plucking really has worked and does just the opposite .....and that </div> <div> is to </div> <div> spray your bird with water daily while the birds environment is very </div> <div> dry with </div> <div> below 35% relative humidity. If your house is high enough with the </div> <div> relative </div> <div> humidity to spray your bird daily is ideal..or showers..however, if </div> <div> the heat </div> <div> is on and the relative humidity is low...the environment can attack </div> <div> your bird </div> <div> for the moisture you just sprayed on him and thus cause a even worse </div> <div> condition of dry and itchy skin causing more plucking.</div> <bR> <div> so, if your house is above 40 % relative humidity and you can spray </div> <div> I us a </div> <div> MSM spray mixture for my birds feathers and skin.....and I also put </div> <div> MSM in my </div> <div> birds water for them as well...however this is only when my house or </div> <div> the </div> <div> birds whole environment is 40% relative humidity. One has to really </div> <div> watch </div> <div> this with the heat on in the colder climates. </div> <bR> <div> I hope this helps..</div> <bR> <bR> <div> Cherane Pefley</div> <div> hyacinthinemacaws.com </div> <div> exoticbirdbreeders.com</div> <bR> <bR> <div> Founder/Executive Director-Aviculture Microbiology Foundation, Inc.</div> <div> A Nonprofit National/International Specialty Foundation</div> <div> Affiliated with the AFA</div> <div> http://www.afa.birds.org/clublist/national.html</div> <bR> <bR> <div> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]</div> <div> --- End forwarded message ---</div> <bR> <div> <TABLE BORDER="0" CELLPADDING="1" CELLSPACING="1" WIDTH="627" BORDERCOLORLIGHT="#C0C0C0" BORDERCOLORDARK="#808080" FRAME="VOID" RULES="NONE" HSPACE="0" VSPACE="0" > <tR> <tD VALIGN=CENTER BGCOLOR=#0000FF HEIGHT= 20 WIDTH="293"><div> <B>Messages</B><FONT SIZE="3" COLOR="#000000" FACE="Arial" > </FONT></div> </tD> <tD VALIGN=CENTER BGCOLOR=#0000FF WIDTH="327"><div> <B><U>Messages Help </U></B></div> </tD> </tR> </TABLE></div> <bR> <bR> <bR> <bR> <div> <U>MSM helps </U></div> <div> <U>animals: veterinary use for pets and working animals</U><FONT SIZE="3" COLOR="#000000" FACE="Arial" > </FONT></div> <bR> <bR> <div> What are the suggested doses of MSM for animals?</div> <div> For large dogs, one teaspoonful (5gm) mixed in its food for at least </div> <div> 2 weeks. </div> <div> When a response is noted, reduce to half this amount for the next 2 </div> <div> weeks; if </div> <div> improvement is maintained then continue on half this dose, (stepping </div> <div> up again </div> <div> if necessary). For small dogs or cats give half the above </div> <div> amounts. </div> <div> How much is safe?</div> <div> There has been research into upper safe limits, all of which </div> <div> indicates that </div> <div> MSM is remarkably harmless even in unnaturally high doses. It is far </div> <div> less </div> <div> toxic than common salt for example, and ranks closer to inert </div> <div> substances like </div> <div> glycerine or pure water. People and animals have been taking MSM </div> <div> safely for </div> <div> twenty years. </div> <div> Will it interfere with medications being given?</div> <div> MSM is a food substance, not a medical drug, so augmenting the </div> <div> amounts in </div> <div> your animal's food is merely a dietary change. </div> <div> More answers on general uk.net/questions.htm" href="http://www.msm-</div> <div> uk.net/questions.htm"questions http://www.msm.page </div> <bR> <bR> <bR> <div> Cherane Pefley</div> <div> hyacinthinemacaws.com </div> <div> exoticbirdbreeders.com</div> <bR> <bR> <div> Founder/Executive Director-Aviculture Microbiology Foundation, Inc.</div> <div> A Non-Profit National/International Specialty Foundation</div> <div> Affiliated with the AFA</div> <div> http://www.afa.birds.org/clublist/national.html</div> <bR> <bR> <bR> <div> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]</div> <div> --- End forwarded message ---</div> <bR> <div> <TABLE BORDER="0" CELLPADDING="1" CELLSPACING="1" WIDTH="627" BORDERCOLORLIGHT="#C0C0C0" BORDERCOLORDARK="#808080" FRAME="VOID" RULES="NONE" HSPACE="0" VSPACE="0" > <tR> <tD VALIGN=CENTER BGCOLOR=#0000FF HEIGHT= 20 WIDTH="293"><div> <B>Messages</B><FONT SIZE="3" COLOR="#000000" FACE="Arial" > </FONT></div> </tD> <tD VALIGN=CENTER BGCOLOR=#0000FF WIDTH="327"><div> <B><U>Messages Help </U></B></div> </tD> </tR> </TABLE></div> <bR> <bR> <div> <TABLE BORDER="0" CELLPADDING="1" CELLSPACING="1" WIDTH="627" BORDERCOLORLIGHT="#C0C0C0" BORDERCOLORDARK="#808080" FRAME="VOID" RULES="NONE" HSPACE="0" VSPACE="0" > <tR> <tD VALIGN=TOP HEIGHT= 20 WIDTH="173"><div> Subj:</div> </tD> <tD VALIGN=CENTER><NOBR><div> <B>Fwd: Re: [-Bird-Breeders-] FEATHER PLUCKING </B></div> </NOBR></tD> </tR> <tR> <tD VALIGN=TOP HEIGHT= 19 WIDTH="173"><div> Date:</div> </tD> <tD VALIGN=CENTER><NOBR><div> 10/15/2001 7:11:28 AM Eastern Standard Time</div> </NOBR></tD> </tR> <tR> <tD VALIGN=TOP HEIGHT= 19 WIDTH="173"><div> From:</div> </tD> <tD VALIGN=CENTER WIDTH="447"><div> <U>AvianConsultancy@aol.com</U></div> </tD> </tR> <tR> <tD VALIGN=TOP HEIGHT= 19 WIDTH="173"><div> To:</div> </tD> <tD VALIGN=CENTER WIDTH="447"><div> <U>cherane@aol.com</U></div> </tD> </tR> <tR> <tD VALIGN=CENTER COLSPAN=2 BGCOLOR=#C0C0C0 HEIGHT= 19 WIDTH="621"><div> <I>Sent from the Internet </I><FONT SIZE="3" COLOR="#0000FF" FACE="Arial" ><I><U>(Details)</U></I></FONT></div> </tD> </tR> </TABLE></div> <bR> <bR> <div> --- In -Bird-Breeders-@yahoogroups.com, SheWolf@H... wrote:</div> <div> In a message dated 12/20/00 10:17:12 AM Eastern Standard Time, </div> <div> losivand@c... writes:</div> <bR> <bR> <bR> <div> > . I live in Florida, humidity is not a problem, we have </div> <div> > plenty of it! : ) But can you tell me what the </div> <div> abbreviation MSM </div> <div> > is?.......I am not happy at all with this bitter apple spray, he </div> <div> plucks all </div> <div> > the same. Missy </div> <div> > </div> <div> > </div> <bR> <bR> <bR> <div> Missy, First Let me qualify myself with some knowledge of what I'm </div> <div> talking about with regard to the skin care of human beings. I hope this also </div> <div> will qualify me to some degree with regard to the exotic birds with my </div> <div> breeding over 11 years everything from the Hahns Macaw to the Hyacinthine </div> <div> Macaws including some other exotic endangered Golden Conures who are known to pluck. </div> <div> With many, many babies under my belt from my sold Vosmaeri Eclectus </div> <div> Pairs.</div> <bR> <div> I've been giving service to the human race regard to skin therapy </div> <div> since 1959, with a scalpel in my hand with dermal plaining, with both oxygen and </div> <div> CO2 tanks in my clinic for co2 treatments to oxygen with nebulization </div> <div> Vitamins A and E emultion forte' into the epedermis for problems pertaining to </div> <div> the dehydrated skin.</div> <div> I to this day own the second commercial building I built in 1965 and </div> <div> had up to september 1989 a on going skin clinic in my cosmetology business. </div> <div> With this, I still own for the last five years a Skin Clinic as well, hair </div> <div> and body establishment.</div> <div> I am also with title "Comite International D"Esthetique Et De </div> <div> Cosmetologie" </div> <div> (CISDESCO) Candidate with a yet another 13 hour test and a 2,500 </div> <div> thesis on skin, massage etc....including breast augmentation, diseases etc.</div> <bR> <div> I share my knowledge with friends. I'm from the Indiana area as </div> <div> well, New York and Michigan to have many times over the problem of dry skin </div> <div> come to our clinic in downtown Indianapolis, Indiana.</div> <bR> <div> Relative humidity can be a problem inside a house, both with the air </div> <div> or heat on...and I live on the island between two bodies of water. </div> <div> Below is a little information regarding the MSM . Many horsemen will </div> <div> be very familiar with this product.</div> <bR> <div> ________________________________________________________</div> <div> Chemists know MSM by its full scientific name: Methyl Sulfonyl </div> <div> Methane. For </div> <div> the rest of us, MSM is a lot easier to say--and remember!MSM is a </div> <div> compound </div> <div> found in DMSO, a substance known to have helped countless individuals </div> <div> suffering from a variety of ailments. Credit for identifying MSM as </div> <div> the </div> <div> beneficial part of DMSO goes to the well-known researcher, Dr. </div> <div> Stanley Jacob </div> <div> of the Oregon Health Sciences University. Dr Jacob also determined </div> <div> that MSM </div> <div> provides these benefits without the bothersome side-effects reported </div> <div> by some </div> <div> users of DMSO.MSM is a natural form of sulfur found in all living </div> <div> organisms. </div> <div> Small amounts of this vital organic compound are present in body </div> <div> fluids and </div> <div> tissues. </div> <div> The good news is the missing MSM may be replaced through taking safe, </div> <div> inexpensive dietary supplements. MSM as a naturally occurring </div> <div> organic </div> <div> compound found in body fluids and tissues, and is not known to </div> <div> negatively </div> <div> react with prescribed medications. (Still, when in doubt, always </div> <div> consult </div> <div> your pharmacist.) MSM's benefits to digestion are twofold: It </div> <div> reduces </div> <div> stomach acid (helping ulcers) and coats the walls of the intestinal </div> <div> tract </div> <div> (leading to the "flushing out" of would-be parasites.)What about </div> <div> side-effects? First of all, MSM is no more toxic than water. During </div> <div> the </div> <div> approximately twelve hours a dosage of MSM remains in your </div> <div> bloodstream, it </div> <div> will contribute to the benefits described above. plus cleanse the </div> <div> interior </div> <div> walls of your arteries. Two reported short-term side-effects are: </div> <div> (1) mild </div> <div> soreness in the area(s) where tissue repair is currently taking </div> <div> place: and </div> <div> (2) a dull ache in the general area of the liver (at the lower edge </div> <div> of the </div> <div> right rib-cage.) The first short-term side-effect quickly diminishes </div> <div> as </div> <div> healing takes place; the second is generally experienced by </div> <div> overly-enthusiastic MSM users who increase their dosage too quickly. </div> <div> This </div> <div> second short-term side-effect is certainly not experienced by most </div> <div> MSM users, </div> <div> and is easily remedied by temporarily reducing the dosage.There is , </div> <div> in fact, </div> <div> only one known long-term side-effect: MSM causes hair and </div> <div> fingernails to </div> <div> grow faster and stronger! The naturally high percentage of MSM found </div> <div> in hair </div> <div> and nails is why it so positively affects these constantly </div> <div> rejuvenating </div> <div> cells. This should teach us something about what is required to </div> <div> maintain </div> <div> healthy cells in other parts of our body! </div> <bR> <bR> <div> Cherane Pefley</div> <div> hyacinthinemacaws.com </div> <div> exoticbirdbreeders.com</div> <bR> <bR> <div> Founder/Executive Director-Aviculture Microbiology Foundation, Inc.</div> <div> A Non-Profit National/International Specialty Foundation</div> <div> Affiliated with the AFA</div> <div> http://www.afa.birds.org/clublist/national.html</div> <bR> <bR> <div> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]</div> <div> --- End forwarded message ---</div> <bR> <div> <TABLE BORDER="0" CELLPADDING="1" CELLSPACING="1" WIDTH="627" BORDERCOLORLIGHT="#C0C0C0" BORDERCOLORDARK="#808080" FRAME="VOID" RULES="NONE" HSPACE="0" VSPACE="0" > <tR> <tD VALIGN=CENTER BGCOLOR=#0000FF HEIGHT= 20 WIDTH="293"><div> <B>Messages</B><FONT SIZE="3" COLOR="#000000" FACE="Arial" > </FONT></div> </tD> <tD VALIGN=CENTER BGCOLOR=#0000FF WIDTH="327"><div> <B><U>Messages Help </U></B></div> </tD> </tR> </TABLE></div> <bR> <bR> <bR> <div> <TABLE BORDER="0" CELLPADDING="1" CELLSPACING="1" WIDTH="627" BORDERCOLORLIGHT="#C0C0C0" BORDERCOLORDARK="#808080" FRAME="VOID" RULES="NONE" HSPACE="0" VSPACE="0" > <tR> <tD VALIGN=TOP HEIGHT= 20 WIDTH="175"><div> Subj:</div> </tD> <tD VALIGN=CENTER WIDTH="445"><div> <B>Fwd: Re: [-Bird-Breeders-] Re: MSM </B></div> </tD> </tR> <tR> <tD VALIGN=TOP HEIGHT= 19 WIDTH="175"><div> Date:</div> </tD> <tD VALIGN=CENTER><NOBR><div> 10/15/2001 7:16:12 AM Eastern Standard Time</div> </NOBR></tD> </tR> <tR> <tD VALIGN=TOP HEIGHT= 19 WIDTH="175"><div> From:</div> </tD> <tD VALIGN=CENTER WIDTH="445"><div> <U>AvianConsultancy@aol.com</U></div> </tD> </tR> <tR> <tD VALIGN=TOP HEIGHT= 19 WIDTH="175"><div> To:</div> </tD> <tD VALIGN=CENTER WIDTH="445"><div> <U>cherane@aol.com</U></div> </tD> </tR> <tR> <tD VALIGN=CENTER COLSPAN=2 BGCOLOR=#C0C0C0 HEIGHT= 19 WIDTH="621"><div> <I>Sent from the Internet </I><FONT SIZE="3" COLOR="#0000FF" FACE="Arial" ><I><U>(Details)</U></I></FONT></div> </tD> </tR> </TABLE></div> <bR> <bR> <div> --- In -Bird-Breeders-@yahoogroups.com, SheWolf@H... wrote:</div> <div> In a message dated 12/21/2000 6:24:10 PM Eastern Standard Time, </div> <div> SheWolf@H... writes:</div> <bR> <bR> <div> > > Thank you Mary Dockman for setting us straight on how you </div> <div> > > learned about MSM. I'm very glad it worked for your little </div> <div> fellow!! </div> <div> > > I sure hope it does for mine. </div> <div> > > Constance </div> <div> > > </div> <div> > </div> <bR> <div> I also sent the blind copies to Sharon Mack...:) and the forwards as </div> <div> I </div> <div> thought something was up...</div> <bR> <bR> <div> Cherane Pefley</div> <div> hyacinthinemacaws.com </div> <div> exoticbirdbreeders.com</div> <bR> <div> Founder/Executive Director-Aviculture Microbiology Foundation, Inc.</div> <div> A National/International Specialty Organization</div> <div> Affiliated with the AFA</div> <div> http://www.afa.birds.org/clublist/national.html</div> <bR> <bR> <bR> <bR> <bR> <div> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]</div> <div> --- End forwarded message ---</div> <bR> <bR> <div> <TABLE BORDER="0" CELLPADDING="1" CELLSPACING="1" WIDTH="627" BORDERCOLORLIGHT="#C0C0C0" BORDERCOLORDARK="#808080" FRAME="VOID" RULES="NONE" HSPACE="0" VSPACE="0" > <tR> <tD VALIGN=CENTER BGCOLOR=#0000FF HEIGHT= 20 WIDTH="293"><div> <B>Messages</B><FONT SIZE="3" COLOR="#000000" FACE="Arial" > </FONT></div> </tD> <tD VALIGN=CENTER BGCOLOR=#0000FF WIDTH="327"><div> <B><U>Messages Help </U></B></div> </tD> </tR> </TABLE></div> <bR> <div> <TABLE BORDER="0" CELLPADDING="1" CELLSPACING="1" WIDTH="627" BORDERCOLORLIGHT="#C0C0C0" BORDERCOLORDARK="#808080" FRAME="VOID" RULES="NONE" HSPACE="0" VSPACE="0" > <tR> <tD VALIGN=TOP HEIGHT= 20 WIDTH="171"><div> Subj:</div> </tD> <tD VALIGN=CENTER><NOBR><div> <B>Fwd: Re: [-Bird-Breeders-] white flag on msm </B></div> </NOBR></tD> </tR> <tR> <tD VALIGN=TOP HEIGHT= 19 WIDTH="171"><div> Date:</div> </tD> <tD VALIGN=CENTER><NOBR><div> 10/15/2001 7:18:38 AM Eastern Standard Time</div> </NOBR></tD> </tR> <tR> <tD VALIGN=TOP HEIGHT= 19 WIDTH="171"><div> From:</div> </tD> <tD VALIGN=CENTER WIDTH="449"><div> <U>AvianConsultancy@aol.com</U></div> </tD> </tR> <tR> <tD VALIGN=TOP HEIGHT= 19 WIDTH="171"><div> To:</div> </tD> <tD VALIGN=CENTER WIDTH="449"><div> <U>cherane@aol.com</U></div> </tD> </tR> <tR> <tD VALIGN=CENTER COLSPAN=2 BGCOLOR=#C0C0C0 HEIGHT= 19 WIDTH="621"><div> <I>Sent from the Internet </I><FONT SIZE="3" COLOR="#0000FF" FACE="Arial" ><I><U>(Details)</U></I></FONT></div> </tD> </tR> </TABLE></div> <bR> <bR> <div> --- In -Bird-Breeders-@yahoogroups.com, SheWolf@H... wrote:</div> <div> In a message dated 12/21/2000 4:55:14 PM Eastern Standard Time, </div> <div> old-trail-yarns@w... writes:</div> <bR> <bR> <div> > . and in all honesty, i don't even think his </div> <div> > featherpicking was a real issue in our conversations at all, but </div> <div> more </div> <div> > on the scope of his not being a capable breeder.</div> <div> > </div> <div> > i certainly do not want to take the wind out of any one's sail's </div> <div> > on 'discovering' a cure or suggestion. i simply posted to a group, </div> <div> > sharing my experiences, hoping to gain from their comments on my </div> <div> > techniques. Cherane, if you want credit for msm, my hat's off to </div> <div> > you. it's a wonderful help and i have certainly benefited from </div> <div> it. </div> <div> > thanks, mary. </div> <div> > </div> <div> > </div> <bR> <bR> <div> Now, Laurella is known by many, and she has every message you wrote </div> <div> me by </div> <div> private email about your bird/connie. And I forward them immediately </div> <div> and all </div> <div> replies with Laurella Desborough in the blind copy...everything .. </div> <div> When one </div> <div> forwards in AOL...all of it goes to who ever your forwarding to...</div> <div> I don't need credit...it is just simply a matter of honesty. Period.</div> <div> Believe me, my life just is better then that.....this has taught me a </div> <div> lesson..and it is nice your bird did well on what I suggested for </div> <div> you. I'm </div> <div> happy your keeping him.</div> <bR> <div> Cherane Pefley</div> <div> hyacinthinemacaws.com </div> <div> exoticbirdbreeders.com</div> <bR> <div> Founder/Executive Director-Aviculture Microbiology Foundation, Inc.</div> <div> A National/International Specialty Organization</div> <div> Affiliated with the AFA</div> <div> http://www.afa.birds.org/clublist/national.html</div> <bR> <bR> <bR> <bR> <bR> <div> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]</div> <div> --- End forwarded message ---</div> <bR> <bR> <div> <TABLE BORDER="0" CELLPADDING="1" CELLSPACING="1" WIDTH="627" BORDERCOLORLIGHT="#C0C0C0" BORDERCOLORDARK="#808080" FRAME="VOID" RULES="NONE" HSPACE="0" VSPACE="0" > <tR> <tD VALIGN=CENTER BGCOLOR=#0000FF HEIGHT= 20 WIDTH="293"><div> <B>Messages</B><FONT SIZE="3" COLOR="#000000" FACE="Arial" > </FONT></div> </tD> <tD VALIGN=CENTER BGCOLOR=#0000FF WIDTH="327"><div> <B><U>Messages Help </U></B></div> </tD> </tR> </TABLE></div> <bR> <bR> <div> <TABLE BORDER="0" CELLPADDING="1" CELLSPACING="1" WIDTH="627" BORDERCOLORLIGHT="#C0C0C0" BORDERCOLORDARK="#808080" FRAME="VOID" RULES="NONE" HSPACE="0" VSPACE="0" > <tR> <tD VALIGN=TOP HEIGHT= 20 WIDTH="175"><div> Subj:</div> </tD> <tD VALIGN=CENTER WIDTH="445"><div> <B>Fwd: Re: [-Bird-Breeders-] Re: MSM </B></div> </tD> </tR> <tR> <tD VALIGN=TOP HEIGHT= 19 WIDTH="175"><div> Date:</div> </tD> <tD VALIGN=CENTER><NOBR><div> 10/15/2001 7:15:52 AM Eastern Standard Time</div> </NOBR></tD> </tR> <tR> <tD VALIGN=TOP HEIGHT= 19 WIDTH="175"><div> From:</div> </tD> <tD VALIGN=CENTER WIDTH="445"><div> <U>AvianConsultancy@aol.com</U></div> </tD> </tR> <tR> <tD VALIGN=TOP HEIGHT= 19 WIDTH="175"><div> To:</div> </tD> <tD VALIGN=CENTER WIDTH="445"><div> <U>cherane@aol.com</U></div> </tD> </tR> <tR> <tD VALIGN=CENTER COLSPAN=2 BGCOLOR=#C0C0C0 HEIGHT= 19 WIDTH="621"><div> <I>Sent from the Internet </I><FONT SIZE="3" COLOR="#0000FF" FACE="Arial" ><I><U>(Details)</U></I></FONT></div> </tD> </tR> </TABLE></div> <bR> <bR> <div> --- In -Bird-Breeders-@yahoogroups.com, SheWolf@H... wrote:</div> <div> In a message dated 12/21/2000 5:37:56 PM Eastern Standard Time, </div> <div> cbacon@m... writes:</div> <bR> <bR> <div> > But in her last post, she is addressing a nonissue, a nonthread, </div> <div> > phantom, nonexistent statements that were never made, and trying to </div> <div> > back them up with credentials. It just doesn't work, and I can't </div> <div> > defend her for her opinions in that post, though I still enjoy </div> <div> > reading her informational posts.</div> <div> > Thank you Mary Dockman for setting us straight on how you </div> <div> > learned about MSM. I'm very glad it worked for your little </div> <div> fellow!! </div> <div> > I sure hope it does for mine. </div> <div> > Constance </div> <div> > </div> <div> > </div> <bR> <div> Will you spare me? who was defending who?</div> <bR> <bR> <div> Cherane Pefley</div> <div> hyacinthinemacaws.com </div> <div> exoticbirdbreeders.com</div> <bR> <div> Founder/Executive Director-Aviculture Microbiology Foundation, Inc.</div> <div> A National/International Specialty Organization</div> <div> Affiliated with the AFA</div> <div> http://www.afa.birds.org/clublist/national.html</div> <bR> <bR> <bR> <bR> <bR> <div> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]</div> <div> --- End forwarded message ---</div> <bR> <div> <TABLE BORDER="0" CELLPADDING="1" CELLSPACING="1" WIDTH="627" BORDERCOLORLIGHT="#C0C0C0" BORDERCOLORDARK="#808080" FRAME="VOID" RULES="NONE" HSPACE="0" VSPACE="0" > <tR> <tD VALIGN=CENTER BGCOLOR=#0000FF HEIGHT= 20 WIDTH="293"><div> <B>Messages</B><FONT SIZE="3" COLOR="#000000" FACE="Arial" > </FONT></div> </tD> <tD VALIGN=CENTER BGCOLOR=#0000FF WIDTH="327"><div> <B><U>Messages Help </U></B></div> </tD> </tR> </TABLE></div> <bR> <bR> <div> <TABLE BORDER="0" CELLPADDING="1" CELLSPACING="1" WIDTH="627" BORDERCOLORLIGHT="#C0C0C0" BORDERCOLORDARK="#808080" FRAME="VOID" RULES="NONE" HSPACE="0" VSPACE="0" > <tR> <tD VALIGN=TOP HEIGHT= 39 WIDTH="128"><div> Subj:</div> </tD> <tD VALIGN=CENTER WIDTH="492"><div> <B>Fwd: Re: [-Bird-Breeders-] Re: MSM and my post to holistic bird dated July 1999 </B></div> </tD> </tR> <tR> <tD VALIGN=TOP HEIGHT= 19 WIDTH="128"><div> Date:</div> </tD> <tD VALIGN=CENTER WIDTH="492"><div> 10/15/2001 7:14:39 AM Eastern Standard Time</div> </tD> </tR> <tR> <tD VALIGN=TOP HEIGHT= 19 WIDTH="128"><div> From:</div> </tD> <tD VALIGN=CENTER WIDTH="492"><div> <U>AvianConsultancy@aol.com</U></div> </tD> </tR> <tR> <tD VALIGN=TOP HEIGHT= 19 WIDTH="128"><div> To:</div> </tD> <tD VALIGN=CENTER WIDTH="492"><div> <U>cherane@aol.com</U></div> </tD> </tR> <tR> <tD VALIGN=CENTER COLSPAN=2 BGCOLOR=#C0C0C0 HEIGHT= 19 WIDTH="621"><div> <I>Sent from the Internet </I><FONT SIZE="3" COLOR="#0000FF" FACE="Arial" ><I><U>(Details)</U></I></FONT></div> </tD> </tR> </TABLE></div> <bR> <bR> <div> --- In -Bird-Breeders-@yahoogroups.com, SheWolf@H... wrote:</div> <div> In a message dated 12/21/2000 4:39:17 PM Eastern Standard Time, </div> <div> fancywings@a... writes:</div> <bR> <bR> <div> > </div> <div> > Constance, </div> <div> > </div> <div> > You go girl, tell her like it is. I agree with you hold heartily on </div> <div> this </div> <div> > matter. It should be done privately not on the list.</div> <div> > </div> <div> > Thanks </div> <div> > JJ</div> <div> > </div> <bR> <div> Let me get this straight about you. I write out of compassion about </div> <div> what you </div> <div> might do to help with a plucking bird and your encouraging </div> <div> another .With less </div> <div> then accurate facts</div> <div> and you call her telling me straight?</div> <bR> <div> And then you agree and want this private? I have her banned from </div> <div> emailing me </div> <div> for a long time...</div> <bR> <div> Cherane Pefley</div> <div> hyacinthinemacaws.com </div> <div> exoticbirdbreeders.com</div> <bR> <div> Founder/Executive Director-Aviculture Microbiology Foundation, Inc.</div> <div> A National/International Specialty Organization</div> <div> Affiliated with the AFA</div> <div> http://www.afa.birds.org/clublist/national.html</div> <bR> <bR> <bR> <bR> <bR> <div> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]</div> <div> --- End forwarded message ---</div> <bR> <div> <TABLE BORDER="0" CELLPADDING="1" CELLSPACING="1" WIDTH="627" BORDERCOLORLIGHT="#C0C0C0" BORDERCOLORDARK="#808080" FRAME="VOID" RULES="NONE" HSPACE="0" VSPACE="0" > <tR> <tD VALIGN=CENTER BGCOLOR=#0000FF HEIGHT= 20 WIDTH="293"><div> <B>Messages</B><FONT SIZE="3" COLOR="#000000" FACE="Arial" > </FONT></div> </tD> <tD VALIGN=CENTER BGCOLOR=#0000FF WIDTH="327"><div> <B><U>Messages Help </U></B></div> </tD> </tR> </TABLE></div> <bR> <bR> <div> <TABLE BORDER="0" CELLPADDING="1" CELLSPACING="1" WIDTH="627" BORDERCOLORLIGHT="#C0C0C0" BORDERCOLORDARK="#808080" FRAME="VOID" RULES="NONE" HSPACE="0" VSPACE="0" > <tR> <tD VALIGN=TOP HEIGHT= 39 WIDTH="128"><div> Subj:</div> </tD> <tD VALIGN=CENTER WIDTH="492"><div> <B>Fwd: Re: [-Bird-Breeders-] Re: MSM and my post to holistic bird dated July 1999 </B></div> </tD> </tR> <tR> <tD VALIGN=TOP HEIGHT= 19 WIDTH="128"><div> Date:</div> </tD> <tD VALIGN=CENTER WIDTH="492"><div> 10/15/2001 7:14:33 AM Eastern Standard Time</div> </tD> </tR> <tR> <tD VALIGN=TOP HEIGHT= 19 WIDTH="128"><div> From:</div> </tD> <tD VALIGN=CENTER WIDTH="492"><div> <U>AvianConsultancy@aol.com</U></div> </tD> </tR> <tR> <tD VALIGN=TOP HEIGHT= 19 WIDTH="128"><div> To:</div> </tD> <tD VALIGN=CENTER WIDTH="492"><div> <U>cherane@aol.com</U></div> </tD> </tR> <tR> <tD VALIGN=CENTER COLSPAN=2 BGCOLOR=#C0C0C0 HEIGHT= 19 WIDTH="621"><div> <I>Sent from the Internet </I><FONT SIZE="3" COLOR="#0000FF" FACE="Arial" ><I><U>(Details)</U></I></FONT></div> </tD> </tR> </TABLE></div> <bR> <bR> <div> --- In -Bird-Breeders-@yahoogroups.com, SheWolf@H... wrote:</div> <div> In a message dated 12/21/2000 1:30:49 PM Eastern Standard Time, </div> <div> SheWolf@H... writes:</div> <bR> <bR> <div> > I'm not advertising other list for these members to go to learn </div> <div> about a </div> <div> > </div> <bR> <div> Members,</div> <div> When one of my List that I own is brought up by a person or member </div> <div> here...I </div> <div> have purposely AVOID representing my list. I have not even responded </div> <div> to the </div> <div> fact I own the list. If I have please point me in that direction for </div> <div> I'll </div> <div> truly apologize.</div> <bR> <div> As for many list in my address or send to..when I write something on </div> <div> any of </div> <div> my list and think it be important enough to place this as well in </div> <div> the 'send </div> <div> to: it surely need not to imply that I need to solicit or bring you </div> <div> to any </div> <div> other list then what your on right now.</div> <bR> <div> I have all the glory in just the success of having so many hyos </div> <div> babies with </div> <div> the Golden Conures just like to spread my wings and stay high in the </div> <div> sky..:) </div> <div> I just thought most of you would like to stay up in the sky with me. </div> <div> Not a </div> <div> thing wrong with being accomplished and share...not one thing wrong </div> <div> with </div> <div> that..</div> <div> and to get my credit when it is due me when I share and charge but </div> <div> mostly </div> <div> when I share and don't charge.</div> <bR> <bR> <bR> <div> Cherane Pefley</div> <div> hyacinthinemacaws.com </div> <div> exoticbirdbreeders.com</div> <bR> <div> Founder/Executive Director-Aviculture Microbiology Foundation, Inc.</div> <div> A National/International Specialty Organization</div> <div> Affiliated with the AFA</div> <div> http://www.afa.birds.org/clublist/national.html</div> <bR> <bR> <bR> <bR> <bR> <div> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]</div> <div> --- End forwarded message ---</div> <bR> <div> <TABLE BORDER="0" CELLPADDING="1" CELLSPACING="1" WIDTH="627" BORDERCOLORLIGHT="#C0C0C0" BORDERCOLORDARK="#808080" FRAME="VOID" RULES="NONE" HSPACE="0" VSPACE="0" > <tR> <tD VALIGN=CENTER BGCOLOR=#0000FF HEIGHT= 20 WIDTH="293"><div> <B>Messages</B><FONT SIZE="3" COLOR="#000000" FACE="Arial" > </FONT></div> </tD> <tD VALIGN=CENTER BGCOLOR=#0000FF WIDTH="327"><div> <B><U>Messages Help </U></B></div> </tD> </tR> </TABLE></div> <bR> <bR> <div> <TABLE BORDER="0" CELLPADDING="1" CELLSPACING="1" WIDTH="627" BORDERCOLORLIGHT="#C0C0C0" BORDERCOLORDARK="#808080" FRAME="VOID" RULES="NONE" HSPACE="0" VSPACE="0" > <tR> <tD VALIGN=TOP HEIGHT= 39 WIDTH="128"><div> Subj:</div> </tD> <tD VALIGN=CENTER WIDTH="492"><div> <B>Fwd: Re: [-Bird-Breeders-] Re: MSM and my post to holistic bird dated July 1999 </B></div> </tD> </tR> <tR> <tD VALIGN=TOP HEIGHT= 19 WIDTH="128"><div> Date:</div> </tD> <tD VALIGN=CENTER WIDTH="492"><div> 10/15/2001 7:14:33 AM Eastern Standard Time</div> </tD> </tR> <tR> <tD VALIGN=TOP HEIGHT= 19 WIDTH="128"><div> From:</div> </tD> <tD VALIGN=CENTER WIDTH="492"><div> <U>AvianConsultancy@aol.com</U></div> </tD> </tR> <tR> <tD VALIGN=TOP HEIGHT= 19 WIDTH="128"><div> To:</div> </tD> <tD VALIGN=CENTER WIDTH="492"><div> <U>cherane@aol.com</U></div> </tD> </tR> <tR> <tD VALIGN=CENTER COLSPAN=2 BGCOLOR=#C0C0C0 HEIGHT= 19 WIDTH="621"><div> <I>Sent from the Internet </I><FONT SIZE="3" COLOR="#0000FF" FACE="Arial" ><I><U>(Details)</U></I></FONT></div> </tD> </tR> </TABLE></div> <bR> <bR> <div> --- In -Bird-Breeders-@yahoogroups.com, SheWolf@H... wrote:</div> <div> In a message dated 12/21/2000 1:30:49 PM Eastern Standard Time, </div> <div> SheWolf@H... writes:</div> <bR> <bR> <div> > I'm not advertising other list for these members to go to learn </div> <div> about a </div> <div> > </div> <bR> <div> Members,</div> <div> When one of my List that I own is brought up by a person or member </div> <div> here...I </div> <div> have purposely AVOID representing my list. I have not even responded </div> <div> to the </div> <div> fact I own the list. If I have please point me in that direction for </div> <div> I'll </div> <div> truly apologize.</div> <bR> <div> As for many list in my address or send to..when I write something on </div> <div> any of </div> <div> my list and think it be important enough to place this as well in </div> <div> the 'send </div> <div> to: it surely need not to imply that I need to solicit or bring you </div> <div> to any </div> <div> other list then what your on right now.</div> <bR> <div> I have all the glory in just the success of having so many hyos </div> <div> babies with </div> <div> the Golden Conures just like to spread my wings and stay high in the </div> <div> sky..:) </div> <div> I just thought most of you would like to stay up in the sky with me. </div> <div> Not a </div> <div> thing wrong with being accomplished and share...not one thing wrong </div> <div> with </div> <div> that..</div> <div> and to get my credit when it is due me when I share and charge but </div> <div> mostly </div> <div> when I share and don't charge.</div> <bR> <bR> <bR> <div> Cherane Pefley</div> <div> hyacinthinemacaws.com </div> <div> exoticbirdbreeders.com</div> <bR> <div> Founder/Executive Director-Aviculture Microbiology Foundation, Inc.</div> <div> A National/International Specialty Organization</div> <div> Affiliated with the AFA</div> <div> http://www.afa.birds.org/clublist/national.html</div> <bR> <bR> <bR> <bR> <bR> <div> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]</div> <div> --- End forwarded message ---</div> <bR> <div> <TABLE BORDER="0" CELLPADDING="1" CELLSPACING="1" WIDTH="627" BORDERCOLORLIGHT="#C0C0C0" BORDERCOLORDARK="#808080" FRAME="VOID" RULES="NONE" HSPACE="0" VSPACE="0" > <tR> <tD VALIGN=CENTER BGCOLOR=#0000FF HEIGHT= 20 WIDTH="293"><div> <B>Messages</B><FONT SIZE="3" COLOR="#000000" FACE="Arial" > </FONT></div> </tD> <tD VALIGN=CENTER BGCOLOR=#0000FF WIDTH="327"><div> <B><U>Messages Help </U></B></div> </tD> </tR> </TABLE></div> <bR> <bR> <div> <TABLE BORDER="0" CELLPADDING="1" CELLSPACING="1" WIDTH="627" BORDERCOLORLIGHT="#C0C0C0" BORDERCOLORDARK="#808080" FRAME="VOID" RULES="NONE" HSPACE="0" VSPACE="0" > <tR> <tD VALIGN=TOP HEIGHT= 39 WIDTH="128"><div> Subj:</div> </tD> <tD VALIGN=CENTER WIDTH="492"><div> <B>Fwd: Re: [-Bird-Breeders-] Re: MSM and my post to holistic bird dated July 1999 </B></div> </tD> </tR> <tR> <tD VALIGN=TOP HEIGHT= 19 WIDTH="128"><div> Date:</div> </tD> <tD VALIGN=CENTER WIDTH="492"><div> 10/15/2001 7:13:15 AM Eastern Standard Time</div> </tD> </tR> <tR> <tD VALIGN=TOP HEIGHT= 19 WIDTH="128"><div> From:</div> </tD> <tD VALIGN=CENTER WIDTH="492"><div> <U>AvianConsultancy@aol.com</U></div> </tD> </tR> <tR> <tD VALIGN=TOP HEIGHT= 19 WIDTH="128"><div> To:</div> </tD> <tD VALIGN=CENTER WIDTH="492"><div> <U>cherane@aol.com</U></div> </tD> </tR> <tR> <tD VALIGN=CENTER COLSPAN=2 BGCOLOR=#C0C0C0 HEIGHT= 19 WIDTH="621"><div> <I>Sent from the Internet </I><FONT SIZE="3" COLOR="#0000FF" FACE="Arial" ><I><U>(Details)</U></I></FONT></div> </tD> </tR> </TABLE></div> <bR> <bR> <div> --- In -Bird-Breeders-@yahoogroups.com, SheWolf@H... wrote:</div> <div> In a message dated 12/21/2000 3:22:17 PM Eastern Standard Time, </div> <div> losivand@c... writes:</div> <bR> <bR> <div> > , I am grateful for the info of MSM Cherrane, and I </div> <div> > look forward to trying it on my Eclectus, and if I see improvement, </div> <div> I will </div> <div> > have wonderful positive thoughts of you for sharing this info every </div> <div> time I </div> <div> > </div> <bR> <div> Beleive it not...my objective was or is birds..I give 750 mgs to my </div> <div> bird </div> <div> daily..for what ever reason in their wate size 15 oz.</div> <bR> <div> I also take two 2,000. mg to one quart of water distilled water to </div> <div> spray the </div> <div> feathers...for any reason.</div> <bR> <div> Makes their feathers beautiful and bright..</div> <bR> <div> This is not a treatment to take the place of a vet or to cure a </div> <div> disease/bacteria Or to take the place of a needed visit to the vet </div> <div> for </div> <div> sickness in plucking or toxic reaction to anything. </div> <bR> <div> Also, raising the humidity is most helpful to a plucking bird. </div> <bR> <bR> <div> Cherane Pefley</div> <div> hyacinthinemacaws.com </div> <div> exoticbirdbreeders.com</div> <bR> <div> Founder/Executive Director-Aviculture Microbiology Foundation, Inc.</div> <div> A National/International Specialty Organization</div> <div> Affiliated with the AFA</div> <div> http://www.afa.birds.org/clublist/national.html</div> <bR> <bR> <bR> <bR> <bR> <div> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]</div> <div> --- End forwarded message ---</div> <bR> <div> <TABLE BORDER="0" CELLPADDING="1" CELLSPACING="1" WIDTH="627" BORDERCOLORLIGHT="#C0C0C0" BORDERCOLORDARK="#808080" FRAME="VOID" RULES="NONE" HSPACE="0" VSPACE="0" > <tR> <tD VALIGN=CENTER BGCOLOR=#0000FF HEIGHT= 20 WIDTH="293"><div> <B>Messages</B><FONT SIZE="3" COLOR="#000000" FACE="Arial" > </FONT></div> </tD> <tD VALIGN=CENTER BGCOLOR=#0000FF WIDTH="327"><div> <B><U>Messages Help </U></B></div> </tD> </tR> </TABLE></div> <bR> <div> <TABLE BORDER="0" CELLPADDING="1" CELLSPACING="1" WIDTH="627" BORDERCOLORLIGHT="#C0C0C0" BORDERCOLORDARK="#808080" FRAME="VOID" RULES="NONE" HSPACE="0" VSPACE="0" > <tR> <tD VALIGN=TOP HEIGHT= 39 WIDTH="128"><div> Subj:</div> </tD> <tD VALIGN=CENTER WIDTH="492"><div> <B>Fwd: Re: [-Bird-Breeders-] Re: MSM and my post to holistic bird dated July 1999 </B></div> </tD> </tR> <tR> <tD VALIGN=TOP HEIGHT= 19 WIDTH="128"><div> Date:</div> </tD> <tD VALIGN=CENTER WIDTH="492"><div> 10/15/2001 7:12:50 AM Eastern Standard Time</div> </tD> </tR> <tR> <tD VALIGN=TOP HEIGHT= 19 WIDTH="128"><div> From:</div> </tD> <tD VALIGN=CENTER WIDTH="492"><div> <U>AvianConsultancy@aol.com</U></div> </tD> </tR> <tR> <tD VALIGN=TOP HEIGHT= 19 WIDTH="128"><div> To:</div> </tD> <tD VALIGN=CENTER WIDTH="492"><div> <U>cherane@aol.com</U></div> </tD> </tR> <tR> <tD VALIGN=CENTER COLSPAN=2 BGCOLOR=#C0C0C0 HEIGHT= 19 WIDTH="621"><div> <I>Sent from the Internet </I><FONT SIZE="3" COLOR="#0000FF" FACE="Arial" ><I><U>(Details)</U></I></FONT></div> </tD> </tR> </TABLE></div> <bR> <bR> <div> --- In -Bird-Breeders-@yahoogroups.com, SheWolf@H... wrote:</div> <div> In a message dated 12/21/2000 4:01:37 PM Eastern Standard Time, </div> <div> cbacon@m... writes:</div> <bR> <bR> <div> > ,......can</div> <div> > > this be used for cats and dogs too, imagine so, if humans can use </div> <div> it also.</div> <div> > > Feel free to email me privately if there is info of this product </div> <div> regarding</div> <div> > > cats!......: )...Missy</div> <div> > ></div> <div> > ></div> <div> > </div> <bR> <div> Missy, It would be nice to double check with a qualified vet for </div> <div> either dog </div> <div> or cat.</div> <div> I have my dog, Rambo on GSE Spray which Nutribiotic now have web </div> <div> site </div> <div> 'dosage for pets. I'm using this for lesions he has on his mouth and </div> <div> it is </div> <div> working where the MSM did not.</div> <bR> <div> I hope this helps</div> <bR> <bR> <div> Cherane Pefley</div> <div> hyacinthinemacaws.com </div> <div> exoticbirdbreeders.com</div> <bR> <div> Founder/Executive Director-Aviculture Microbiology Foundation, Inc.</div> <div> A National/International Specialty Organization</div> <div> Affiliated with the AFA</div> <div> http://www.afa.birds.org/clublist/national.html</div> <bR> <bR> <bR> <bR> <bR> <div> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]</div> <div> --- End forwarded message ---</div> <bR> <div> <TABLE BORDER="0" CELLPADDING="1" CELLSPACING="1" WIDTH="627" BORDERCOLORLIGHT="#C0C0C0" BORDERCOLORDARK="#808080" FRAME="VOID" RULES="NONE" HSPACE="0" VSPACE="0" > <tR> <tD VALIGN=CENTER BGCOLOR=#0000FF HEIGHT= 20 WIDTH="293"><div> <B>Messages</B><FONT SIZE="3" COLOR="#000000" FACE="Arial" > </FONT></div> </tD> <tD VALIGN=CENTER BGCOLOR=#0000FF WIDTH="327"><div> <B><U>Messages Help </U></B></div> </tD> </tR> </TABLE></div> <bR> <bR> <div> <TABLE BORDER="0" CELLPADDING="1" CELLSPACING="1" WIDTH="627" BORDERCOLORLIGHT="#C0C0C0" BORDERCOLORDARK="#808080" FRAME="VOID" RULES="NONE" HSPACE="0" VSPACE="0" > <tR> <tD VALIGN=TOP HEIGHT= 39 WIDTH="128"><div> Subj:</div> </tD> <tD VALIGN=CENTER WIDTH="492"><div> <B>Fwd: Re: [-Bird-Breeders-] Re: MSM and my post to holistic bird dated July 1999 </B></div> </tD> </tR> <tR> <tD VALIGN=TOP HEIGHT= 19 WIDTH="128"><div> Date:</div> </tD> <tD VALIGN=CENTER WIDTH="492"><div> 10/15/2001 7:11:28 AM Eastern Standard Time</div> </tD> </tR> <tR> <tD VALIGN=TOP HEIGHT= 19 WIDTH="128"><div> From:</div> </tD> <tD VALIGN=CENTER WIDTH="492"><div> <U>AvianConsultancy@aol.com</U></div> </tD> </tR> <tR> <tD VALIGN=TOP HEIGHT= 19 WIDTH="128"><div> To:</div> </tD> <tD VALIGN=CENTER WIDTH="492"><div> <U>cherane@aol.com</U></div> </tD> </tR> <tR> <tD VALIGN=CENTER COLSPAN=2 BGCOLOR=#C0C0C0 HEIGHT= 19 WIDTH="621"><div> <I>Sent from the Internet </I><FONT SIZE="3" COLOR="#0000FF" FACE="Arial" ><I><U>(Details)</U></I></FONT></div> </tD> </tR> </TABLE></div> <bR> <bR> <div> --- In -Bird-Breeders-@yahoogroups.com, SheWolf@H... wrote:</div> <div> In a message dated 12/21/00 12:59:52 PM Eastern Standard Time, </div> <div> cbacon@m... writes:</div> <bR> <bR> <div> > Hi Cherane,</div> <div> > I wasn't aware of your post on the Holistic List about MSM. I </div> <div> > first read and heard about it when Mary Dockman posted about it. </div> <div> > There's a big discussion about it on the Featherpicking list right </div> <div> > now where they are documenting their results. I don't really think </div> <div> > anybody cares who "discovered" MSM or who knows the most about it, </div> <div> or </div> <div> > who told who about it, or whose the most qualified to post a url </div> <div> > about it; they just want to know how it works on their birds.</div> <div> > Thanks for sharing.</div> <div> > Constance</div> <div> > </div> <div> > </div> <bR> <div> One of many reasons we have patients, foundations, incorporation's, </div> <div> etc.etc..is to avoid thoughts as your implying members don't matter </div> <div> when they </div> <div> share....invent, discover, educate...and I disagree with you </div> <div> completely in </div> <div> your words that I don't matter or anyone else who has the foresight </div> <div> to </div> <div> explore, invent or create with making something out of nothing and </div> <div> then to </div> <div> share it with many others for no cost. I think Courts would disagree </div> <div> with </div> <div> you as well.</div> <bR> <div> I started on this List the thread of MSM to make others aware of this </div> <div> product </div> <div> for Featherpicking..... ...This is the second time you have directed </div> <div> people </div> <div> to sub to other List to learn or to avoid learning something on this </div> <div> List </div> <div> under a thread that I have joined to share my knowledge/thoughts. </div> <div> Out of the six or seven messages I see you've sent here....your </div> <div> directing </div> <div> members elsewhere.</div> <div> I own several list, matter of a fact, I own seventeen List and yet do </div> <div> not </div> <div> feel any member on this list can learn any less or more being part of </div> <div> someone </div> <div> else's List then what they can learn or share right here on this Bird </div> <div> Breeders. </div> <div> I'm not advertising other list for these members to go to learn about </div> <div> a </div> <div> subject when Mary is here..your here and I'm here and I could make a </div> <div> bet </div> <div> there are other members who know more about MSM and featherplucking </div> <div> to </div> <div> contribute right here on this Bird Breeders. Don't you think?</div> <bR> <div> I think if I was the owner of this list....I would be very upset with </div> <div> your </div> <div> implying members cannot learn something on this list by sending them </div> <div> to other </div> <div> Egroup List.</div> <div> I think my sharing means a great deal now. As I'm paid 200 bucks an </div> <div> hour </div> <div> with all expenses paid....and it is free here, this matters a great </div> <div> deal ... </div> <div> that others know I'm in this business and I stay on top of matters </div> <div> both as </div> <div> an Aviculture Consultant and in my Profession as the owner of a skin </div> <div> clinic. </div> <div> Your implications say different with your remarks "Mary starting this </div> <div> on the </div> <div> Internet" or your dancing with words. With you being on </div> <div> HolisticBird it </div> <div> would have seem to me that you would have been very interested with </div> <div> your </div> <div> birds of a product for a skin rash that I wrote about!</div> <bR> <div> Now, when I start another thread are you going to come here and send </div> <div> the </div> <div> members yet to another List or are you going to contribute?</div> <bR> <bR> <bR> <div> Cherane Pefley</div> <div> hyacinthinemacaws.com </div> <div> exoticbirdbreeders.com</div> <bR> <bR> <div> Founder/Executive Director-Aviculture Microbiology Foundation, Inc.</div> <div> A Nonprofit National/International Specialty Foundation</div> <div> Affiliated with the AFA</div> <div> http://www.afa.birds.org/clublist/national.html</div> <bR> <bR> <div> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]</div> <div> --- End forwarded message ---</div> <bR> <div> <TABLE BORDER="0" CELLPADDING="1" CELLSPACING="1" WIDTH="627" BORDERCOLORLIGHT="#C0C0C0" BORDERCOLORDARK="#808080" FRAME="VOID" RULES="NONE" HSPACE="0" VSPACE="0" > <tR> <tD VALIGN=CENTER BGCOLOR=#0000FF HEIGHT= 20 WIDTH="293"><div> <B>Messages</B><FONT SIZE="3" COLOR="#000000" FACE="Arial" > </FONT></div> </tD> <tD VALIGN=CENTER BGCOLOR=#0000FF WIDTH="327"><div> <B><U>Messages Help </U></B></div> </tD> </tR> </TABLE></div> <bR> <div> <TABLE BORDER="0" CELLPADDING="1" CELLSPACING="1" WIDTH="627" BORDERCOLORLIGHT="#C0C0C0" BORDERCOLORDARK="#808080" FRAME="VOID" RULES="NONE" HSPACE="0" VSPACE="0" > <tR> <tD VALIGN=TOP HEIGHT= 39 WIDTH="131"><div> Subj:</div> </tD> <tD VALIGN=CENTER WIDTH="489"><div> <B>Fwd: Re: [-Bird-Breeders-] MSM and my post to holistic bird dated July 1999 </B></div> </tD> </tR> <tR> <tD VALIGN=TOP HEIGHT= 19 WIDTH="131"><div> Date:</div> </tD> <tD VALIGN=CENTER WIDTH="489"><div> 10/15/2001 7:10:17 AM Eastern Standard Time</div> </tD> </tR> <tR> <tD VALIGN=TOP HEIGHT= 19 WIDTH="131"><div> From:</div> </tD> <tD VALIGN=CENTER WIDTH="489"><div> <U>AvianConsultancy@aol.com</U></div> </tD> </tR> <tR> <tD VALIGN=TOP HEIGHT= 19 WIDTH="131"><div> To:</div> </tD> <tD VALIGN=CENTER WIDTH="489"><div> <U>cherane@aol.com</U></div> </tD> </tR> <tR> <tD VALIGN=CENTER COLSPAN=2 BGCOLOR=#C0C0C0 HEIGHT= 19 WIDTH="621"><div> <I>Sent from the Internet </I><FONT SIZE="3" COLOR="#0000FF" FACE="Arial" ><I><U>(Details)</U></I></FONT></div> </tD> </tR> </TABLE></div> <bR> <bR> <div> --- In -Bird-Breeders-@yahoogroups.com, SheWolf@H... wrote:</div> <div> In a message dated 12/21/00 10:26:25 AM Eastern Standard Time, </div> <div> cbacon@m... writes:</div> <bR> <bR> <div> > </div> <div> > Aviculturist Mary Dockman introduced this product on the internet </div> <div> some time</div> <div> > ago and told us of the success she has had with it. After Mary </div> <div> shared her</div> <div> > story, several on the Featherpicking List are documenting their </div> <div> results with</div> <div> > it.</div> <div> > Constance</div> <div> > </div> <bR> <div> Mary told of her success this PAST OCT.2000 on Holistic bird. I </div> <div> happened to </div> <div> give Mary Dockman all that information by email regarding her </div> <div> Eclectus and </div> <div> MSM when she wrote me about her Eclectus with a problem that she </div> <div> continued on </div> <div> to have after buying her bird from you. I also sent a blind copy to </div> <div> Laurella </div> <div> of ALL my messages to and from Mary, as well a couple of my other </div> <div> friends as </div> <div> I often do when I'm giving FREE suggestions regarding these matters. </div> <bR> <div> I also happened to have Mary Dockman's message on HolisticBird where </div> <div> she </div> <div> tells all of my success with her bird ( not mentioning my name) in </div> <div> using MSM. </div> <div> ( I see your here Mary, maybe you might clear this up)</div> <bR> <div> In July of 1999 ONE YEAR EARLIER then when I helped Mary with he </div> <div> Biaki, I'll </div> <div> post the message I responded to on Holisticbird when I was on that </div> <div> list I </div> <div> saved every message I wrote to that list.</div> <div> below you'll see I was already investigating this MSM by a </div> <div> dermatologist in </div> <div> my skin clinic back in JULY OF 1999</div> <div> almost ONE YEAR LATER by email (Laurella has copies of all </div> <div> email to </div> <div> Mary) I shared this with Mary.....not to hear one word of this </div> <div> working till </div> <div> her post from holistic bird was forward to me this past Oct...2000 by </div> <div> another </div> <div> Eclectus Aviculturist who knew I put him on this formula as well, he </div> <div> thought </div> <div> it was funny how someone else with an Eclectus had this way or </div> <div> insight very </div> <div> much as my own.</div> <bR> <div> In total I sent all my messages to Mary and From Mary to Laurella </div> <div> and two </div> <div> others in Blind copies. Yes, I do have Laurella permission to say </div> <div> this on </div> <div> Bird Breeders in response to your post of Mary success with MSM .</div> <bR> <div> Another I helped with the same suggestions on Holistbird forward me </div> <div> Mary's </div> <div> message to holisticbird telling them of HER success with my </div> <div> suggestions in </div> <div> how and the dosage and the url's of how to use this product.</div> <bR> <bR> <bR> <div> From: <Cherane@xxx.xxx></div> <div> Date: Fri Jul 30, 1999 3:18am</div> <div> Subject: Re: Grapefruit seed extract and MSM</div> <bR> <bR> <div> In a message dated 7/30/99 12:14:17 AM Eastern Daylight Time, </div> <div> HREF="http://www.egroups.com/post/HolisticBird?</div> <div> protectID=045233235078056028024218031077247239048144042046167121181">j</div> <div> olley1@t... </div> <div> writes:> > Also, what do you all know about MSM? I use it for </div> <div> myself. I know </div> <div> I feel> better from taking it, but wanted to know more about it. </div> <div> Also, is </div> <div> there any> use for it in birds?> > Thanks> > Regina Jolley</div> <bR> <div> I have something to throw out on MSM. I had a client yesterday that </div> <div> has a </div> <div> 'rash' contact dermitites. the doctor has her spraying with MSM.Does </div> <div> anyone </div> <div> have any information about this?THank you, Cherane </div> <bR> <bR> <bR> <bR> <bR> <bR> <div> Cherane Pefley</div> <div> hyacinthinemacaws.com </div> <div> exoticbirdbreeders.com</div> <bR> <bR> <div> Founder/Executive Director-Aviculture Microbiology Foundation, Inc.</div> <div> A Non-Profit National/International Specialty Foundation</div> <div> Affiliated with the AFA</div> <div> http://www.afa.birds.org/clublist/national.html</div> <bR> <bR> <div> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]</div> <div> --- End forwarded message ---</div> <bR> <bR> <div> <TABLE BORDER="0" CELLPADDING="1" CELLSPACING="1" WIDTH="627" BORDERCOLORLIGHT="#C0C0C0" BORDERCOLORDARK="#808080" FRAME="VOID" RULES="NONE" HSPACE="0" VSPACE="0" > <tR> <tD VALIGN=CENTER BGCOLOR=#0000FF HEIGHT= 20 WIDTH="293"><div> <B>Messages</B><FONT SIZE="3" COLOR="#000000" FACE="Arial" > </FONT></div> </tD> <tD VALIGN=CENTER BGCOLOR=#0000FF WIDTH="327"><div> <B><U>Messages Help </U></B></div> </tD> </tR> </TABLE></div> <bR> <bR> <bR> <bR> <bR> <bR> <bR> <bR> <div> <I><B><U></U></B></I><FONT SIZE="1" COLOR="#000000" FACE="Arial" >This site was designed and built by: Cherane Pefley Copyright © 2001.  All rights reserved</FONT></div> </td> </tr></table></body>