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<body topmargin=0 leftmargin=0 marginheight=0 marginwidth=0> <table cellpadding=0 cellspacing=0 border=0><tr> <td valign="top" colspan=2 height=90 BGCOLOR="#006699" TEXT="#080000" background="600fd5a3.jpg"> <div> <FONT SIZE="5" COLOR="#000000" FACE="Arial" ><B>About me</B></FONT><B>    </B><B> |     </B><A HREF="index.htm" TARGET="_top" TITLE="About me"><B>home</B></A></div> <div> <A HREF="id249.htm" TARGET="_top" TITLE="Details"><B><IMG SRC="5a40e0e0.png" border=0 width="14" height="14" ALT="up" ALIGN="BOTTOM" HSPACE="0" VSPACE="0"></B></A><B>   </B><IMG BORDER="0" SRC="1x1.gif" HEIGHT="14" ALIGN="BOTTOM" HSPACE="0" VSPACE="0" WIDTH="14"><B>     </B><A HREF="id216.htm" TARGET="_top" TITLE="St.Michael inside card"><B><IMG SRC="5a50e0e0.png" border=0 width="14" height="14" ALT="previous" ALIGN="BOTTOM" HSPACE="0" VSPACE="0"></B></A><B>  </B><A HREF="id162.htm" TARGET="_top" TITLE="Presenting"><B><IMG SRC="5a60e0e0.png" border=0 width="14" height="14" ALT="next" ALIGN="BOTTOM" HSPACE="0" VSPACE="0"></B></A></div> <div> </div> </td> </tr><tr> <td valign="top" width=210 BGCOLOR="#FFCC66" TEXT="#080000" background="601d2b03.jpg"> <div> <I>In presenting these pre-posted messages, I hope to share </I></div> <div> <I>with the readers of this site a glimpse of the helpful </I></div> <div> <I>information I have shared with the very people who have </I></div> <div> <I>created the need for the attorney letter which is also </I></div> <div> <I>found in these pages. </I></div> <bR> <div> <I>Any admonishments to others for giving advice to bird </I></div> <div> <I>breeders were the result of some fundamental ideas: </I></div> <bR> <div> <I>1) Though we may share our personal experiences, we do </I></div> <div> <I>not have the right to practice veterinary medicine </I></div> <div> <I>without a license. </I></div> <bR> <div> <I>2) "First, do no harm." In using nutritional </I></div> <div> <I>supplements, vitamins, herbal treatments, alternative </I></div> <div> <I>methods for your own birds, you should be well informed </I></div> <div> <I>about the product being used and contraindications. If </I></div> <div> <I>you are breeding birds, you can't wait until it is too </I></div> <div> <I>late to get information about and equipment for hatching </I></div> <div> <I>your eggs or feeding your babies.</I></div> <bR> <div> <I>3) "Give credit where credit is due." Aviculturists </I></div> <div> <I>should show professional courtesy.</I></div> <bR> <div> <I>4) Keep the law and stay honest. Twisting the facts is </I></div> <div> <I>telling a lie.</I></div> <bR> <div> <I>5) Personal confidences and sharing should be guarded by </I></div> <div> <I>both parties. </I></div> <bR> <div> <I>6) It is good to be proud of your personal </I></div> <div> <I>accomplishments, and to be happy.</I><FONT SIZE="4" COLOR="#0000FF" FACE="Comic Sans MS" ><B> </B></FONT></div> </td> <td valign="top" height=390 width="100%" BGCOLOR="#FFFFFF" TEXT="#080000"> <div> <I>NO VISITORS </I></div> <div> <B>I'm noted for this message for my birds protection.  Anyone can do a search on google.com by typing out   > rec.pets.birds  cherane  no visitors <    </B></div> <bR> <div> <B>Message 1253 of 29909 </B></div> <bR> <div> <B>From:</B> <FONT SIZE="3" COLOR="#0000FF" FACE="Arial" ><U>Cherane@xxx.xxx</U></FONT></div> <div> <B>Date:</B> Wed Jun 2, 1999 12:10 pm</div> <div> <B>Subject:</B> Re: Closed Aviary .</div> <bR> <div> In a message dated 6/2/99 10:57:22 AM Eastern Daylight Time, </div> <div> <U>carrillo@c...</U><FONT SIZE="3" COLOR="#000000" FACE="Arial" > writes:</FONT></div> <bR> <div> > </div> <div> >  I have a question...does "closed aviary" mean NO VISITORS to your residence</div> <div> >  (my aviary is at my residence), OR does it mean no visitors in your </div> <div> nursery,</div> <div> >  or what?</div> <div> >  I mean, I don't think it's realistic to say that I'll never have friends</div> <div> >  over to my home, so I need to know what that means, and how I can protect</div> <div> >  things.</div> <div> >  -Lorien</div> <div> >  </div> <bR> <bR> <div> Lorien,  I'm sure most of us do what is the best in our </div> <div> circumstances....However, to eliminate all or most risk as much as we can </div> <div> will help with the risk of owning birds.</div> <bR> <div> I can count on my two hands all who have entered in my door in the last ten </div> <div> years.  This house belongs to my birds and I just happen to live here.  With </div> <div> that, I'm in a position to do this as I'm in an area to meet people in </div> <div> tourist places...or my business or out to eat.  I have done the family </div> <div> bit...with friends over for dinners, cards, chess and the like.</div> <bR> <div> Today, my friends and I meet else where to have our social time.  As  far as </div> <div> my birds to ...off limits!  all my birds are off limits to anyone.  I have </div> <div> made my house where this is possible with separate air and heat input an </div> <div> exhaust.</div> <bR> <div> Doors shut for nursery, aviary!  I don't keep any birds today for my personal </div> <div> pleasure, all are my pets for breeding.  My nursery and my aviary are not for </div> <div> a zoo or am I for training, teaching or assisting any others any longer.   </div> <div> Believe me when I have done that it has put my birds in grave danger here in </div> <div> Florida both for security and deadly viruses.</div> <bR> <div> I make this known not to tell anyone what to do...realize the danger you </div> <div> bring into your nursery when it is open to visitors, or brought back birds </div> <div> that have been out of the nursery or aviary.  When you bring back a bird into </div> <div> the midst of your healthy birds you take chances and risk of bringing to your </div> <div> flock anything the bird has had that has been outside the environment.</div> <bR> <div> Is it unrealistic?  Yep...is it needed?  yes to take care of the birds you </div> <div> have already that are healthy and safe.  Does that make you a mean breeder </div> <div> because you take care of your flock?  probably in most eyes...except for </div> <div> those that understand or who have felt the pain of death in the </div> <div> nursery/aviary from outside influences.  They've learn a deadly lesson and </div> <div> can tell you a story of two of the *help* given to another new breeder who is </div> <div> out and about to all breeders/bird stores and bringing to  our establishment </div> <div> all sort of goodies that are unknown to you and the newbie.  It is not new to </div> <div> me........Below is a sample from the question asked on the M.A.P.  Model </div> <div> Apicultural Program...not my words, those words written from  a board of </div> <div> directors including Scott Mcdonald...DVM</div> <bR> <div> "What Is The Closed Aviary Concept?             Top of Page</div> <div> The closed aviary concept is the utilization of the basic principles of </div> <div> designated areas within the facility and controlled flow of human, animal, </div> <div> and supplies traffic. Traffic control is used to reduce the transmission of </div> <div> clinical and subclinical disease during movement within individual areas and </div> <div> within the aviary facility as a whole. Record systems that are generated and </div> <div> used in management are used to help clarify and monitor potential problems. </div> <div> Putting this concept into practice requires defining separate areas within </div> <div> the facility, each with a distinct location. These areas are as follows: </div> <bR> <div> Quarantine: the area where all new birds are housed for a period of time to </div> <div> determine their condition of health through observation and appropriate </div> <div> testing. The quarantine area should be serviced last each day or by a </div> <div> different service person. </div> <bR> <div> Breeding: Adult breeding stock are housed in species appropriate set ups so </div> <div> that production of eggs or young is enhanced. </div> <bR> <div> Nursery: the nursery is where young are fed and raised when not being </div> <div> parent-reared. Nurseries may vary according to type of species being raised, </div> <div> i.e., a waterfowl or pheasant nursery would require a different set up than a </div> <div> nursery for psittacine chicks. The nursery is potentially a high risk area </div> <div> for disease outbreak. </div> <bR> <div> Isolation: this is the hospital area where a sick or injured bird can be kept </div> <div> apart from the breeding collection and the nursery. This area must be </div> <div> separate from the Quarantine area. </div> <bR> <div> Food Storage and Supply: Food storage, preparations and wash areas may be </div> <div> combined. Planning the aviary design to control and monitor the traffic flow </div> <div> of birds, feed and water bowls and service personnel between each area in the </div> <div> facility is critical for the prevention and control of disease transmission. </div> <bR> <div> In addition, air flow in enclosed quarters should be designed so that air </div> <div> from the isolation or quarantine areas does not enter the nursery, breeding </div> <div> area or food preparation area.  "</div> <bR> <bR> <bR> <div> Cherane Pefley</div> <div> Heavenly Aviary</div> <div> M.A.P. Certified</div> <bR> <div>  </div> <bR> <bR> <div> <B>=====================================================================</B></div> <bR> <div> <B>Message 1248 of 29909 </B></div> <bR> <div> <TABLE BORDER="0" CELLPADDING="1" CELLSPACING="1" WIDTH="626" BORDERCOLORLIGHT="#C0C0C0" BORDERCOLORDARK="#808080" FRAME="VOID" RULES="NONE" HSPACE="0" VSPACE="0" > <tR> <tD VALIGN=TOP HEIGHT= 94 WIDTH="622"><div> <B>From:</B> <FONT SIZE="3" COLOR="#0000FF" FACE="Arial" ><U>Cherane@xxx.xxx</U></FONT></div> <div> <B>Date:</B> Wed Jun 2, 1999 6:47 am</div> <div> <B>Subject:</B> Re: handfeeding/newbie</div> <bR> <bR> </tD> </tR> <tR> <tD VALIGN=TOP HEIGHT= 784 ><NOBR><div> In a message dated 6/2/99 1:14:51 AM Eastern Daylight Time, <FONT SIZE="3" COLOR="#0000FF" FACE="Arial" ><U>kelkay@s...</U></FONT> </div> <div> writes:</div> <bR> <div> > The handfeeding subject is of special interest to me.  If you will remember </div> <div> I </div> <div> > had said I am going to start breeding birds on a small scale.  In fact my </div> <div> > first pair will be shipped in this week.  I am very excited.  I have 1 cat, </div> <div> 2 </div> <div> > dogs, and 3 birds.  With the new pair it will soon be 5 birds.  I am on </div> <div> bird, </div> <div> > and dog email lists.  I think this list is a good one.  I think Lorien is </div> <div> > doing a great job.  </div> <bR> <bR> <div> Congratulations with your new adventure!  I agree with you Lorien is doing a </div> <div> superb leadership with her list.</div> <bR> <div> I wish you so well with your breeding opportunity.  Please look at your </div> <div> babies faces and your breeders.....do know, when you put your body in the </div> <div> midst of other birds then your own...you make risk for their lives.  This is </div> <div> a fact, not my saying...a fact!</div> <bR> <div> It only takes one sick bird from your breeding facility or the breeding </div> <div> facility your visiting to bring down both aviaries.  Every person that walks </div> <div> into the facility of theirs or yours will be a disaster waiting to happen.</div> <div>  This is written in all medical books.  They don't write it for malice </div> <div> either.  As a breeder you'll lose a great deal with those birds your raising. </div> <div>  In the long run, you'll pay a great deal more then the cost of a </div> <div> veterinarian would have ever cost you.  </div> <bR> <div> Most vets are breeders, with the exception they do practice what they </div> <div> preach...you wont get into their aviaries.  However, they'll come to you and </div> <div> yes every bit of the money you pay will be in the long run a savings, in that </div> <div> ... they'll teach you injections, flushing, wing and feet clippings, </div> <div> emergency kits and stand by's ...they'll be there for your needs with *for </div> <div> goodness sake* could mean *for your birds sake*...!  Got a veterinarian to </div> <div> your facility...be a new example to your breeder of practicing what most </div> <div> breeders do today....closed aviary...that means no visitors!</div> <bR> <div> Cherane</div> <bR> <bR> </NOBR></tD> </tR> </TABLE></div> <div> <B>==============================================</B></div> <bR> <bR> <div> <B>Message 1249 of 29909 </B></div> <bR> <div> <TABLE BORDER="0" CELLPADDING="1" CELLSPACING="1" WIDTH="626" BORDERCOLORLIGHT="#C0C0C0" BORDERCOLORDARK="#808080" FRAME="VOID" RULES="NONE" HSPACE="0" VSPACE="0" > <tR> <tD VALIGN=TOP HEIGHT= 94 WIDTH="622"><div> <B>From:</B> <FONT SIZE="3" COLOR="#0000FF" FACE="Arial" ><U>cherane@xxx.xxx</U></FONT></div> <div> <B>Date:</B> Wed Jun 2, 1999 7:19 am</div> <div> <B>Subject:</B> This list *file uploads*</div> <bR> <bR> </tD> </tR> <tR> <tD VALIGN=TOP HEIGHT= 262 ><NOBR><bR> <div> I'm suprised for I came over here to see what files we have on our list. </div> <div> Nothing!  Empty!  So, I put some pictures of my Hyacinthine baby and my young</div> <div> pair of Scarlet Macaws along with a young just weaned Vosmaeri Ecelctus.</div> <bR> <div> I'll put more up later...running with feeding another around the clock</div> <div> hatchlings that hatched yesterday morning..</div> <bR> <div> The baby Hyacinthine is doing so well...I must be getting better with practice</div> <div> for this baby is the largest of them all...and some of my babies have tipped</div> <div> close to 1600 grams..and I call that large in my opinion for a hyacinthine</div> <div> macaw.</div> <bR> <div> Cherane</div> </NOBR></tD> </tR> </TABLE></div> <div> ===========================================</div> <bR> <bR> <div> <B>Message 1256 of 29912 </B></div> <bR> <bR> <div> <TABLE BORDER="0" CELLPADDING="1" CELLSPACING="1" WIDTH="626" BORDERCOLORLIGHT="#C0C0C0" BORDERCOLORDARK="#808080" FRAME="VOID" RULES="NONE" HSPACE="0" VSPACE="0" > <tR> <tD VALIGN=TOP HEIGHT= 94 WIDTH="622"><div> <B>From:</B> <FONT SIZE="3" COLOR="#0000FF" FACE="Arial" ><U>Cherane@xxx.xxx</U></FONT></div> <div> <B>Date:</B> Wed Jun 2, 1999 12:45 pm</div> <div> <B>Subject:</B> Re: Closed Aviary</div> <bR> <bR> </tD> </tR> <tR> <tD VALIGN=TOP HEIGHT= 766 ><NOBR><div> In a message dated 6/2/99 12:12:02 PM Eastern Daylight Time, <FONT SIZE="3" COLOR="#0000FF" FACE="Arial" ><U>tacc@o...</U></FONT> </div> <div> writes:</div> <bR> <div> > and diseases from</div> <div> >  birds.</div> <div> >  </div> <div> >  </div> <div> >                                                      Ang</div> <bR> <bR> <div> Hi Ang,</div> <bR> <div> Diseases are brought in by peoples well birds!</div> <bR> <div>  <A HREF="<FONT SIZE="3" COLOR="#0000FF" FACE="Arial" ><U>http://www.avianvet.com/medupdates.htm#pds</U></FONT>">Medical Updates</A> </div> <div> written by Dr. Branson Ritchie...read all about it!  </div> <bR> <div> You'll see where Polyoma can be brought in on a persons eyeglasses...and </div> <div> etc..........................this virus can wipe out your whole nursery in </div> <div> one swipe!   .. believe me, breeders will think twice before they are nice </div> <div> guy if this happens to their  babies.......and it doesn't go away...watch out </div> <div> for it could be carried  to the aviary as I can tell by what is being said </div> <div> here some breeders wouldn't have a clue to know what to do to avoid </div> <div> that.....and if the aviary is open to the people to *take a peek* </div> <div> hmm....well, then a couple pairs of birds will get hit with this virus </div> <div> too......A human is worse then a new bird in my opinion.</div> <bR> <div> I don't have a clue to what sick aviary the person has been to ... in order </div> <div> to see a bird or two before my door opens. </div> <bR> <div> Dr. Susan CLubb in the avian medicine clearly states what a closed aviary </div> <div> is....page 8 hundred and something...all you have to do is do a </div> <div> search...clearly states * no visitors in the aviary or nursery.  Now, all of </div> <div> us aren't mean....just protecting those precious featherheads in our charge </div> <div> as we breed and make new lives.</div> <bR> <div> I have made an attempt to debate this argument with *teaching* then with </div> <div> hurting hope I have fulfilled this attempt.</div> <bR> <div> Cherane</div> <bR> </NOBR></tD> </tR> </TABLE></div> <bR> <div> =================================================</div> <bR> <bR> <bR> <div> <I><B><U></U></B></I><FONT SIZE="1" COLOR="#000000" FACE="Arial" >This site was designed and built by: Cherane Pefley Copyright © 2001.  All rights reserved</FONT></div> </td> </tr></table></body>