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<body topmargin=0 leftmargin=0 marginheight=0 marginwidth=0> <table cellpadding=0 cellspacing=0 border=0><tr> <td valign="top" colspan=2 height=90 BGCOLOR="#006699" TEXT="#080000" background="600fd5a3.jpg"> <div> <FONT SIZE="5" COLOR="#000000" FACE="Arial" ><B>Cherane at State Building</B></FONT><B>    </B><B> |     </B><A HREF="index.htm" TARGET="_top" TITLE="Cherane at State Building"><U><B>home</B></U></A></div> <div> <A HREF="id193.htm" TARGET="_top" TITLE="Cherane Messages"><U><B><IMG SRC="5a40e0e0.png" border=0 width="14" height="14" ALT="up" ALIGN="BOTTOM" HSPACE="0" VSPACE="0"></B></U></A><B>   </B><IMG BORDER="0" SRC="1x1.gif" HEIGHT="14" ALIGN="BOTTOM" HSPACE="0" VSPACE="0" WIDTH="14"><B>     </B><A HREF="id188.htm" TARGET="_top" TITLE="birdbreeders"><U><B><IMG SRC="5a50e0e0.png" border=0 width="14" height="14" ALT="previous" ALIGN="BOTTOM" HSPACE="0" VSPACE="0"></B></U></A><B>  </B><A HREF="id191.htm" TARGET="_top" TITLE="BirdBreeders July,2001"><U><B><IMG SRC="5a60e0e0.png" border=0 width="14" height="14" ALT="next" ALIGN="BOTTOM" HSPACE="0" VSPACE="0"></B></U></A></div> <div> </div> </td> </tr><tr> <td valign="top" width=210 BGCOLOR="#FFCC66" TEXT="#080000" background="601d2b03.jpg"> <div> My messages from Avian Health UNEDITED.</div> <bR> <div> <I>In presenting these pre-posted messages, I hope to share </I></div> <div> <I>with the readers of this site a glimpse of the helpful </I></div> <div> <I>information I have shared with the very people who have </I></div> <div> <I>created the need for the attorney letter which is also </I></div> <div> <I>found in these pages. </I></div> <bR> <div> <I>Any admonishments to others for giving advice to bird </I></div> <div> <I>breeders were the result of some fundamental ideas: </I></div> <bR> <div> <I>1) Though we may share our personal experiences, we do </I></div> <div> <I>not have the right to practice veterinary medicine </I></div> <div> <I>without a license. </I></div> <bR> <div> <I>2) "First, do no harm." In using nutritional </I></div> <div> <I>supplements, vitamins, herbal treatments, alternative </I></div> <div> <I>methods for your own birds, you should be well informed </I></div> <div> <I>about the product being used and contraindications. If </I></div> <div> <I>you are breeding birds, you can't wait until it is too </I></div> <div> <I>late to get information about and equipment for hatching </I></div> <div> <I>your eggs or feeding your babies.</I></div> <bR> <div> <I>3) "Give credit where credit is due." Aviculturists </I></div> <div> <I>should show professional courtesy.</I></div> <bR> <div> <I>4) Keep the law and stay honest. Twisting the facts is </I></div> <div> <I>telling a lie.</I></div> <bR> <div> <I>5) Personal confidences and sharing should be guarded by </I></div> <div> <I>both parties. </I></div> <bR> <div> <I>6) It is good to be proud of your personal </I></div> <div> <I>accomplishments, and to be happy.</I></div> </td> <td valign="top" height=390 BGCOLOR="#FFFFFF" TEXT="#080000"> <div> <I>avianhealth</I></div> <bR> <bR> <div> <TABLE BORDER="0" CELLPADDING="1" CELLSPACING="1" WIDTH="627" BORDERCOLORLIGHT="#C0C0C0" BORDERCOLORDARK="#808080" FRAME="VOID" RULES="NONE" HSPACE="0" VSPACE="0" > <tR> <tD VALIGN=CENTER BGCOLOR=#0000FF HEIGHT= 20 WIDTH="293"><div> <B>Messages</B><FONT SIZE="3" COLOR="#000000" FACE="Arial" > </FONT></div> </tD> <tD VALIGN=CENTER BGCOLOR=#0000FF WIDTH="327"><div> <B><U>Messages Help </U></B></div> </tD> </tR> </TABLE></div> <bR> <bR> <div> --- In avianhealth@y..., Cherane@xxx.xxx wrote:</div> <div> In a message dated 5/7/99 7:32:51 PM Eastern Daylight Time, </div> <div> Parrotnutz@a... writes:</div> <bR> <div> > I am glad to finally </div> <div> > "meet" you.</div> <div> > </div> <div> > Adriane</div> <div> > </div> <bR> <bR> <div> I thank you! It is nice to be here with you and your kind words have </div> <div> made me </div> <div> feel most welcomed..</div> <bR> <div> Cherane</div> <div> --- End forwarded message ---</div> <div> <TABLE BORDER="0" CELLPADDING="1" CELLSPACING="1" WIDTH="627" BORDERCOLORLIGHT="#C0C0C0" BORDERCOLORDARK="#808080" FRAME="VOID" RULES="NONE" HSPACE="0" VSPACE="0" > <tR> <tD VALIGN=CENTER BGCOLOR=#0000FF HEIGHT= 20 WIDTH="293"><div> <B>Messages</B><FONT SIZE="3" COLOR="#000000" FACE="Arial" > </FONT></div> </tD> <tD VALIGN=CENTER BGCOLOR=#0000FF WIDTH="327"><div> <B><U>Messages Help </U></B></div> </tD> </tR> </TABLE></div> <bR> <bR> <div> --- In avianhealth@y..., Cherane@xxx.xxx wrote:</div> <div> In a message dated 8/3/99 5:18:58 PM Eastern Daylight Time, </div> <div> kgkat@e... </div> <div> writes:</div> <bR> <div> > </div> <div> > Could you post the URL here? I just joined the list and don't </div> <div> know how to</div> <div> > get to where it's posted now.</div> <div> > Kathy of KG Kat Aviary</div> <div> > Chesapeake, Va.</div> <div> > http://members.tripod.com/~KGKAT/Aviary.html</div> <div> > Authorized Hagen Food & Supply Distributor</div> <div> > http://members.tripod.com/~KGKAT/Hagen</div> <div> > Director</div> <div> > Bird Clubs of America</div> <div> > Peachface & Masked Lovebird Breeding Partnerships</div> <div> > http://members.tripod.com/~KGKAT/partnership</div> <div> > </div> <bR> <bR> <bR> <div> There are several there for you to read ..including my own </div> <div> hyacinthine Macaws </div> <div> web site...:)</div> <bR> <div> go to: www.onelist.com</div> <div> go to: login with your email addy and password on the left</div> <bR> <div> go to: member center</div> <bR> <div> double click on *avianhealth</div> <bR> <div> go to: bookmark</div> <bR> <div> there you'l find many papers taken from proceedings writen by Dr. </div> <div> Ritchie </div> <div> given at conventions including the international avian veterinarian </div> <div> convention</div> <bR> <div> Cherane</div> <div> --- End forwarded message ---</div> <div> <TABLE BORDER="0" CELLPADDING="1" CELLSPACING="1" WIDTH="627" BORDERCOLORLIGHT="#C0C0C0" BORDERCOLORDARK="#808080" FRAME="VOID" RULES="NONE" HSPACE="0" VSPACE="0" > <tR> <tD VALIGN=CENTER BGCOLOR=#0000FF HEIGHT= 20 WIDTH="293"><div> <B>Messages</B><FONT SIZE="3" COLOR="#000000" FACE="Arial" > </FONT></div> </tD> <tD VALIGN=CENTER BGCOLOR=#0000FF WIDTH="327"><div> <B><U>Messages Help </U></B></div> </tD> </tR> </TABLE></div> <div> <TABLE BORDER="0" CELLPADDING="1" CELLSPACING="1" WIDTH="630" BORDERCOLORLIGHT="#C0C0C0" BORDERCOLORDARK="#808080" FRAME="VOID" RULES="NONE" HSPACE="0" VSPACE="0" > <tR> <tD VALIGN=CENTER BGCOLOR=#00FFFF HEIGHT= 229 WIDTH="4"><div> <FONT SIZE="3" COLOR="#000000" FACE="arial" >Message 2210 of 12070 </FONT>| <FONT SIZE="3" COLOR="#0000FF" FACE="Arial" ><B><U>Previous</U></B></FONT> | <FONT SIZE="3" COLOR="#0000FF" FACE="Arial" ><B><U>Next</U></B></FONT> [ <FONT SIZE="3" COLOR="#0000FF" FACE="Arial" ><U>Up Thread</U></FONT> ] </div> </tD> <tD VALIGN=CENTER WIDTH="75"><div> <U>Message Index</U><FONT SIZE="3" COLOR="#000000" FACE="Arial" > </FONT></div> </tD> <tD VALIGN=CENTER WIDTH="345"><bR> <div> <IMG SRC="40418180.png" border=0 width="24" height="24" ALIGN="BOTTOM" HSPACE="0" VSPACE="0"><IMG SRC="40418180.png" border=0 width="24" height="24" ALIGN="BOTTOM" HSPACE="0" VSPACE="0"><IMG SRC="40418180.png" border=0 width="24" height="24" ALIGN="BOTTOM" HSPACE="0" VSPACE="0"><IMG SRC="40418180.png" border=0 width="24" height="24" ALIGN="BOTTOM" HSPACE="0" VSPACE="0"><IMG SRC="40418180.png" border=0 width="24" height="24" ALIGN="BOTTOM" HSPACE="0" VSPACE="0"><IMG SRC="40418180.png" border=0 width="24" height="24" ALIGN="BOTTOM" HSPACE="0" VSPACE="0"></div> </tD> <tD VALIGN=CENTER WIDTH="29"><div> Msg # </div> </tD> <tD VALIGN=CENTER WIDTH="161"><div> <IMG SRC="40418180.png" border=0 width="24" height="24" ALIGN="BOTTOM" HSPACE="0" VSPACE="0"><IMG SRC="40418180.png" border=0 width="24" height="24" ALIGN="BOTTOM" HSPACE="0" VSPACE="0"></div> <bR> </tD> </tR> </TABLE></div> <bR> <div> <TABLE BORDER="0" CELLPADDING="1" CELLSPACING="1" WIDTH="626" BORDERCOLORLIGHT="#C0C0C0" BORDERCOLORDARK="#808080" FRAME="VOID" RULES="NONE" HSPACE="0" VSPACE="0" > <tR> <tD VALIGN=TOP HEIGHT= 94 WIDTH="622"><div> <B>From:</B> <FONT SIZE="3" COLOR="#0000FF" FACE="Arial" ><U>Cherane@a...</U></FONT></div> <div> <B>Date:</B> Sat Jul 31, 1999 9:23 am</div> <div> <B>Subject:</B> Re: Baytril tablets</div> <bR> <bR> </tD> </tR> <tR> <tD VALIGN=TOP HEIGHT= 243 ><NOBR><div> In a message dated 7/31/99 8:31:40 AM Eastern Daylight Time, </div> <div> <U>padfan1@t...</U><FONT SIZE="3" COLOR="#000000" FACE="Arial" > writes:</FONT></div> <bR> <div> > </div> <div> >  From: "J. Michael Reynolds" <<FONT SIZE="3" COLOR="#0000FF" FACE="Arial" ><U>padfan1@t...</U></FONT>></div> <div> >  </div> <div> >  oooooo.... I was right?... < :( Does that mean I can take off the</div> <div> >  Dunce Cap now?... Cat</div> <bR> <div> that's all right with me...bet cha look cute with it any way.  I have you </div> <div> pictured with red hair and a ribbon.</div> <bR> <div> Cherane</div> </NOBR></tD> </tR> </TABLE></div> <bR> <bR> <bR> <div> --- In avianhealth@y..., Cherane@xxx.xxx wrote:</div> <div> In a message dated 7/31/99 1:14:44 PM Eastern Daylight Time, </div> <div> avian@s... </div> <div> writes:</div> <bR> <div> > </div> <div> > I missed those book marks ... Can I have them again???</div> <div> > </div> <div> > Sibylle Faye</div> <div> > Avian Web</div> <bR> <bR> <div> go to the *message center* of onelist by putting in your name and </div> <div> password.</div> <bR> <div> you'll find all the list your on with clicking on avainhealth this </div> <div> will take </div> <div> you to bookmarks wither I put all the list on PDD and other diseases.</div> <bR> <div> Cherane</div> <div> --- End forwarded message ---\</div> <div> <TABLE BORDER="0" CELLPADDING="1" CELLSPACING="1" WIDTH="627" BORDERCOLORLIGHT="#C0C0C0" BORDERCOLORDARK="#808080" FRAME="VOID" RULES="NONE" HSPACE="0" VSPACE="0" > <tR> <tD VALIGN=CENTER BGCOLOR=#0000FF HEIGHT= 20 WIDTH="293"><div> <B>Messages</B><FONT SIZE="3" COLOR="#000000" FACE="Arial" > </FONT></div> </tD> <tD VALIGN=CENTER BGCOLOR=#0000FF WIDTH="327"><div> <B><U>Messages Help </U></B></div> </tD> </tR> </TABLE></div> <div> <B>From:</B> <FONT SIZE="3" COLOR="#0000FF" FACE="Arial" ><U>Cherane@xxx.xxx</U></FONT></div> <div> <B>Date:</B> Sat Jul 31, 1999 8:17 am</div> <div> <B>Subject:</B> Re: Baytril tablets</div> <bR> <div> In a message dated 7/31/99 7:42:29 AM Eastern Daylight Time, </div> <div> <U>padfan1@t...</U><FONT SIZE="3" COLOR="#000000" FACE="Arial" > writes:</FONT></div> <bR> <div> > </div> <div> >  From: "J. Michael Reynolds" <<FONT SIZE="3" COLOR="#0000FF" FACE="Arial" ><U>padfan1@t...</U></FONT>></div> <div> >  </div> <div> >  Just a wild guess here, but I would think that they are from different</div> <div> >  drug manufacturers. Vets don't always get thier meds from one</div> <div> >  source... Cat</div> <bR> <bR> <div> Hi Cat,  good guess.</div> <bR> <div> I got some very good info about this from another list.  I'm requesting that </div> <div> I might post their  message here.</div> <bR> <div> Thank you and your right on target.</div> <div> Cherane</div> <bR> <div> Btw, I put some bookmarks on this list in the message center.  They are not </div> <div> my personal links or web sights.  They are papers from Dr. Ritchie on PDD.</div> <div> One bookmark is on Experimental transmission of PDD.  I found this to be very </div> <div> rich with info.  Also there are colored pictures that of the lesions of PDD </div> <div> organs.</div> <bR> <div> Cherane</div> <bR> <bR> <div> <TABLE BORDER="0" CELLPADDING="1" CELLSPACING="1" WIDTH="627" BORDERCOLORLIGHT="#C0C0C0" BORDERCOLORDARK="#808080" FRAME="VOID" RULES="NONE" HSPACE="0" VSPACE="0" > <tR> <tD VALIGN=CENTER BGCOLOR=#0000FF HEIGHT= 20 WIDTH="293"><div> <B>Messages</B><FONT SIZE="3" COLOR="#000000" FACE="Arial" > </FONT></div> </tD> <tD VALIGN=CENTER BGCOLOR=#0000FF WIDTH="327"><div> <B><U>Messages Help </U></B></div> </tD> </tR> </TABLE></div> <div> <B>From:</B> <FONT SIZE="3" COLOR="#0000FF" FACE="Arial" ><U>Cherane@xxx.xxx</U></FONT></div> <div> <B>Date:</B> Fri Jul 30, 1999 10:25 pm</div> <div> <B>Subject:</B> Baytril tablets</div> <bR> <bR> <div> Does anyone know the difference between the brown and purple tablet ? </div> <bR> <div> thank you,</div> <div> Cherane</div> <bR> <bR> <bR> <div>  <A NAME="replies"><IMG BORDER="0" SRC="1x1.gif" HEIGHT="1" ALIGN="bottom" WIDTH="1" HSPACE="0" VSPACE="0" ></A></div> <div> <TABLE BORDER="0" CELLPADDING="1" CELLSPACING="1" WIDTH="573" BORDERCOLORLIGHT="#C0C0C0" BORDERCOLORDARK="#808080" FRAME="VOID" RULES="NONE" HSPACE="0" VSPACE="0" > <tR> <tD VALIGN=CENTER HEIGHT= 20 WIDTH="4"><IMG BORDER="0" SRC="1x1.gif" HEIGHT="20" ALIGN="bottom" WIDTH="4" HSPACE="0" VSPACE="0"></tD> <tD VALIGN=CENTER WIDTH="310"><div> <B>Replies</B><FONT SIZE="3" COLOR="#000000" FACE="Arial" > </FONT></div> </tD> <tD VALIGN=CENTER WIDTH="154"><div> <B>Author</B><FONT SIZE="3" COLOR="#000000" FACE="Arial" > </FONT></div> </tD> <tD VALIGN=CENTER WIDTH="92"><div> <B>Date</B><FONT SIZE="3" COLOR="#000000" FACE="Arial" > </FONT></div> </tD> </tR> <tR> <tD VALIGN=TOP HEIGHT= 38 ><NOBR><div> 2189 </div> </NOBR></tD> <tD VALIGN=TOP WIDTH="310"><div> <U>Re: Baytril tablets </U></div> </tD> <tD VALIGN=TOP><NOBR><div> Susanne Russo </div> </NOBR></tD> <tD VALIGN=TOP WIDTH="92"><div> Fri 7/30/1999 </div> </tD> </tR> <tR> <tD VALIGN=TOP HEIGHT= 38 ><NOBR><div> 2203 </div> </NOBR></tD> <tD VALIGN=TOP WIDTH="310"><div> <U>Re: Baytril tablets </U></div> </tD> <tD VALIGN=TOP><NOBR><div> J. Michael Reynolds </div> </NOBR></tD> <tD VALIGN=TOP WIDTH="92"><div> Sat 7/31/1999 </div> </tD> </tR> <tR> <tD VALIGN=TOP HEIGHT= 38 ><NOBR><div> 2205 </div> </NOBR></tD> <tD VALIGN=TOP WIDTH="310"><div> <U>Re: Baytril tablets </U></div> </tD> <tD VALIGN=TOP><NOBR><div> <U>Cherane@xxx.xxx</U><FONT SIZE="3" COLOR="#000000" FACE="Arial" > </FONT></div> </NOBR></tD> <tD VALIGN=TOP WIDTH="92"><div> Sat 7/31/1999 </div> </tD> </tR> <tR> <tD VALIGN=TOP HEIGHT= 38 ><NOBR><div> 2208 </div> </NOBR></tD> <tD VALIGN=TOP WIDTH="310"><div> <U>Re: Baytril tablets </U></div> </tD> <tD VALIGN=TOP><NOBR><div> J. Michael Reynolds </div> </NOBR></tD> <tD VALIGN=TOP WIDTH="92"><div> Sat 7/31/1999 </div> </tD> </tR> <tR> <tD VALIGN=TOP HEIGHT= 38 ><NOBR><div> 2210 </div> </NOBR></tD> <tD VALIGN=TOP WIDTH="310"><div> <U>Re: Baytril tablets </U></div> </tD> <tD VALIGN=TOP WIDTH="154"><div> <U>Cherane@a...</U><FONT SIZE="3" COLOR="#000000" FACE="Arial" > </FONT></div> </tD> <tD VALIGN=TOP WIDTH="92"><div> Sat 7/31/1999 </div> </tD> </tR> <tR> <tD VALIGN=TOP HEIGHT= 38 ><NOBR><div> 2218 </div> </NOBR></tD> <tD VALIGN=TOP WIDTH="310"><div> <U>Re: Baytril tablets </U></div> </tD> <tD VALIGN=TOP><NOBR><div> J. Michael Reynolds </div> </NOBR></tD> <tD VALIGN=TOP WIDTH="92"><div> Sat 7/31/1999 </div> </tD> </tR> </TABLE></div> <bR> <div> <TABLE BORDER="0" CELLPADDING="1" CELLSPACING="1" WIDTH="627" BORDERCOLORLIGHT="#C0C0C0" BORDERCOLORDARK="#808080" FRAME="VOID" RULES="NONE" HSPACE="0" VSPACE="0" > <tR> <tD VALIGN=CENTER BGCOLOR=#0000FF HEIGHT= 20 WIDTH="293"><div> <B>Messages</B><FONT SIZE="3" COLOR="#000000" FACE="Arial" > </FONT></div> </tD> <tD VALIGN=CENTER BGCOLOR=#0000FF WIDTH="327"><div> <B><U>Messages Help </U></B></div> </tD> </tR> </TABLE></div> <bR> <bR> <div> --- In avianhealth@y..., Cherane@xxx.xxx wrote:</div> <div> In a message dated 7/31/99 7:42:29 AM Eastern Daylight Time, </div> <div> padfan1@t... writes:</div> <bR> <div> > </div> <div> > From: "J. Michael Reynolds" <padfan1@t...></div> <div> > </div> <div> > Just a wild guess here, but I would think that they are from </div> <div> different</div> <div> > drug manufacturers. Vets don't always get thier meds from one</div> <div> > source... Cat</div> <bR> <bR> <div> Hi Cat, good guess.</div> <bR> <div> I got some very good info about this from another list. I'm </div> <div> requesting that </div> <div> I might post their message here.</div> <bR> <div> Thank you and your right on target.</div> <div> Cherane</div> <bR> <div> Btw, I put some bookmarks on this list in the message center. They </div> <div> are not </div> <div> my personal links or web sights. They are papers from Dr. Ritchie on </div> <div> PDD.</div> <div> One bookmark is on Experimental transmission of PDD. I found this to </div> <div> be very </div> <div> rich with info. Also there are colored pictures that of the lesions </div> <div> of PDD </div> <div> organs.</div> <bR> <div> Cherane</div> <div> --- End forwarded message ---</div> <div> <TABLE BORDER="0" CELLPADDING="1" CELLSPACING="1" WIDTH="627" BORDERCOLORLIGHT="#C0C0C0" BORDERCOLORDARK="#808080" FRAME="VOID" RULES="NONE" HSPACE="0" VSPACE="0" > <tR> <tD VALIGN=CENTER BGCOLOR=#0000FF HEIGHT= 20 WIDTH="293"><div> <B>Messages</B><FONT SIZE="3" COLOR="#000000" FACE="Arial" > </FONT></div> </tD> <tD VALIGN=CENTER BGCOLOR=#0000FF WIDTH="327"><div> <B><U>Messages Help </U></B></div> </tD> </tR> </TABLE></div> <bR> <div> --- In avianhealth@y...,</div> <bR> <div> erane@a... wrote:</div> <bR> <div> > Btw, I put some bookmarks on this list in the message center. They </div> <div> are not</div> <div> > my personal links or web sights. They are papers from Dr. Ritchie </div> <div> on PDD.</div> <div> > One bookmark is on Experimental transmission of PDD. I found this </div> <div> to be very</div> <div> > rich with info. Also there are colored pictures that of the </div> <div> lesions of PDD</div> <div> > organs.</div> <div> > </div> <div> > Cherane</div> <div> > </div> <bR> <div>  CBacon <CBacon@m...wrote:</div> <div> Hi Cherane,</div> <div> The new bookmark with the article picturing the lesions, etc. is</div> <div> absolutely wonderful and the most up to date I've read. YOu are to</div> <div> be commended for bringing this article to thelist and to our </div> <div> attention. </div> <div> Thank you, </div> <div> Constance</div> <div> --- End forwarded message ---</div> <bR> <bR> <bR> <div> <TABLE BORDER="0" CELLPADDING="1" CELLSPACING="1" WIDTH="627" BORDERCOLORLIGHT="#C0C0C0" BORDERCOLORDARK="#808080" FRAME="VOID" RULES="NONE" HSPACE="0" VSPACE="0" > <tR> <tD VALIGN=CENTER BGCOLOR=#0000FF HEIGHT= 20 WIDTH="293"><div> <B>Messages</B><FONT SIZE="3" COLOR="#000000" FACE="Arial" > </FONT></div> </tD> <tD VALIGN=CENTER BGCOLOR=#0000FF WIDTH="327"><div> <B><U>Messages Help </U></B></div> </tD> </tR> </TABLE></div> <bR> <bR> <div> <TABLE BORDER="0" CELLPADDING="1" CELLSPACING="1" WIDTH="626" BORDERCOLORLIGHT="#C0C0C0" BORDERCOLORDARK="#808080" FRAME="VOID" RULES="NONE" HSPACE="0" VSPACE="0" > <tR> <tD VALIGN=TOP HEIGHT= 94 WIDTH="622"><div> <B>From:</B> <FONT SIZE="3" COLOR="#0000FF" FACE="Arial" ><U>Cherane@xxx.xxx</U></FONT></div> <div> <B>Date:</B> Wed Aug 4, 1999 4:17 pm</div> <div> <B>Subject:</B> Re: Incubating Hyacinth Eggs</div> <bR> <bR> </tD> </tR> <tR> <tD VALIGN=TOP HEIGHT= 952 ><NOBR><div> In a message dated 8/4/99 2:09:46 PM Eastern Daylight Time, <FONT SIZE="3" COLOR="#0000FF" FACE="Arial" ><U>Rye590@a...</U></FONT> </div> <div> writes:</div> <bR> <div> > 6% of their total egg weight loss, however, they are still too wet for them </div> <div> > to hatch.  I have put canisters in the bottom of the incubator to help </div> <div> bring </div> <div> > down the humidity, (the same canisters that people put in gun cabinents), </div> <div> but </div> <div> > I can only get the humidity down to 39% if I am lucky.  I figured that I </div> <div> need </div> <div> > to lose at least 17% to get them to hatch.  I am seeking anyone with any </div> <div> > information as to getting them to lose more weight.  I know I can sand the </div> <div> > end of the egg, but I have never done that before and I would b</div> <bR> <bR> <div> Donna,</div> <bR> <div> A couple of questions:</div> <bR> <div> What else do you have in your incubating room?  Carpet, drapes or any cloth </div> <div> material?  How large is your room?  Do you have fertile eggs now?  How old </div> <div> are they if you do?</div> <bR> <div> I have room temp set at 79 degrees, with no cloth, carpet or any drapes to </div> <div> hold moisture. </div> <bR> <div> I might consider two things to do at this time a dehumidifier set up...(watch </div> <div> your temp with the one that comes with Grumbac) across the room and I also </div> <div> have an environcare air cleaner.</div> <div> Those gentle moves should help get that down one percent...the other thing is </div> <div> my temp is set at directly 99.3            with turning every two and half </div> <div> hours.</div> <div> I did loose two babies with pulling out the tray and NOT getting it set back </div> <div> in the arm...thus no turning .....didn't find it till babies were dead at 14 </div> <div> days into incubation.</div> <bR> <div> I also lost one hyacinthine baby in the egg with temp at 99.5 so from now on </div> <div> I watch very careful through the different seasons as the temp sets </div> <div> differently.  I'm one block off ocean.  I also changed the lock on my door of </div> <div> the incubator as the humidity seeped into the incubator.  Changing that </div> <div> handle was one of the most important things I did to that incubator. </div> <div> If chemicals are to be used...I use damp rid one tablespoon set at the bottom </div> <div> with a pin hole in the air cell at 17 days old.</div> <div> IF, you do a pin hole....sometimes I've had to assist and other times I do </div> <div> not.</div> <bR> <div> I need for you to talk to me about your hatching procedures?  What do you do </div> <div> when you are ready to hatch?  At what time do you move your babies to the </div> <div> hatcher, what humidity do you keep them in the hatcher and what temp?</div> <div> don't worry you'll get the next baby out....:)</div> <div> Cherane  </div> </NOBR></tD> </tR> </TABLE></div> <bR> <bR> <bR> <bR> <div> <TABLE BORDER="0" CELLPADDING="1" CELLSPACING="1" WIDTH="627" BORDERCOLORLIGHT="#C0C0C0" BORDERCOLORDARK="#808080" FRAME="VOID" RULES="NONE" HSPACE="0" VSPACE="0" > <tR> <tD VALIGN=CENTER BGCOLOR=#0000FF HEIGHT= 20 WIDTH="293"><div> <B>Messages</B><FONT SIZE="3" COLOR="#000000" FACE="Arial" > </FONT></div> </tD> <tD VALIGN=CENTER BGCOLOR=#0000FF WIDTH="327"><div> <B><U>Messages Help </U></B></div> </tD> </tR> </TABLE></div> <bR> <bR> <div> <TABLE BORDER="0" CELLPADDING="1" CELLSPACING="1" WIDTH="626" BORDERCOLORLIGHT="#C0C0C0" BORDERCOLORDARK="#808080" FRAME="VOID" RULES="NONE" HSPACE="0" VSPACE="0" > <tR> <tD VALIGN=TOP HEIGHT= 94 WIDTH="622"><div> <B>From:</B> <FONT SIZE="3" COLOR="#0000FF" FACE="Arial" ><U>Cherane@xxx.xxx</U></FONT></div> <div> <B>Date:</B> Wed Aug 4, 1999 8:37 pm</div> <div> <B>Subject:</B> Re: nightmare/more info!!!</div> <bR> <bR> </tD> </tR> <tR> <tD VALIGN=TOP HEIGHT= 318 ><NOBR><div> In a message dated 8/4/99 8:14:47 PM Eastern Daylight Time, </div> <div> <U>srtiels@f...</U><FONT SIZE="3" COLOR="#000000" FACE="Arial" > writes:</FONT></div> <bR> <div> > </div> <div> >  Lactulose is a syrup...and I don't know what's in it.</div> <bR> <bR> <bR> <div> This is an undigested sugar that attaches itself to toxins and eliminates </div> <div> them out through the intestinal tract.</div> <bR> <div> My heart goes out to you..please be sure you get plenty of rest and eat well </div> <div> through your grief and loss.</div> <bR> <div> hug's</div> <div> Cherane</div> <bR> </NOBR></tD> </tR> </TABLE></div> <bR> <div> <TABLE BORDER="0" CELLPADDING="1" CELLSPACING="1" WIDTH="627" BORDERCOLORLIGHT="#C0C0C0" BORDERCOLORDARK="#808080" FRAME="VOID" RULES="NONE" HSPACE="0" VSPACE="0" > <tR> <tD VALIGN=CENTER BGCOLOR=#0000FF HEIGHT= 20 WIDTH="293"><div> <B>Messages</B><FONT SIZE="3" COLOR="#000000" FACE="Arial" > </FONT></div> </tD> <tD VALIGN=CENTER BGCOLOR=#0000FF WIDTH="327"><div> <B><U>Messages Help </U></B></div> </tD> </tR> </TABLE></div> <bR> <bR> <div> <TABLE BORDER="0" CELLPADDING="1" CELLSPACING="1" WIDTH="630" BORDERCOLORLIGHT="#C0C0C0" BORDERCOLORDARK="#808080" FRAME="VOID" RULES="NONE" HSPACE="0" VSPACE="0" > <tR> <tD VALIGN=TOP COLSPAN=5 HEIGHT= 94 WIDTH="618"><div> <B>From:</B> <FONT SIZE="3" COLOR="#0000FF" FACE="Arial" ><U>Cherane@xxx.xxx</U></FONT></div> <div> <B>Date:</B> Thu Aug 5, 1999 7:49 am</div> <div> <B>Subject:</B> Re: Tiels and smaller birds need homes</div> <bR> <bR> </tD> </tR> <tR> <tD VALIGN=TOP COLSPAN=5 HEIGHT= 4883 ><NOBR><bR> <div> Melissa</div> <div>   </div> <div> Please excuse me if this is not appropriate, however when it comes to birds </div> <div> and losses I want to give a very fast solution to the emptiness of a loss one.</div> <bR> <div> Many feather heads are waiting for love from those that have a loss and I </div> <div> understand that this group are looking for homes for smaller birds.</div> <bR> <div> Not that any bird can make up for what you have gone through, just to let you </div> <div> know those empty cages could have a rescued bird that is looking for a home.</div> <bR> <div> I found this somewhere and made note:</div> <bR> <bR> <div>  Mikaboo Cockatiel rescue in San Francisco</div> <div> has over 50 birds (tiels, LBs and budgies) that are in need of permanent</div> <div> homes. </div> <bR> <bR> <div> Might someone here know how to contact if anyone is interested?</div> <bR> <bR> <div> <U>Holisticbird@o...</U></div> <div> MEMBERS WEB PAGE</div> <div> ~globirdy/contents.htm"<FONT SIZE="3" COLOR="#0000FF" FACE="Arial" ><U>http://members.tripod.com/~globirdy/contents.htm</U></FONT></div> <bR> <bR> <div> Cherane Pefley </div> <div> Certified Avian Specialist              </div> <div> Vero Beach, FL </div> <div> Phone: 561-569-2206</div> <bR> <div> Certified by the Model Avicultural Program (MAP)</div> <div> <U>http://www.calgaryparrotclub.com/Effects/map.htm</U></div> <bR> <div> Member of (AFA) American Federation of Aviculture  </div> <div> <U>http://www.upatsix.com/afa</U><FONT SIZE="3" COLOR="#000000" FACE="Arial" >  </FONT></div> <bR> <div> Visit to see the proven young pair of Hyacinthine Macaws</div> <div> and their first offspring:</div> <div> ~cherane/hyacinthbaby.html"<FONT SIZE="3" COLOR="#0000FF" FACE="Arial" ><U>Http://members.tripod.com/~cherane/hyacinthbaby.html</U></FONT></div> <bR> <div> All Images: birds/animals from my Aviary  </div> <div>  © Cherane Pefley</div> <bR> <div> Hatching from egg to 13 weeks:</div> <div> Hyacinthine Macaw Baby Photo Album</div> <div> <U>http://albums.photopoint.com/j/AlbumIndex?u=15796&a=80035</U></div> <bR> <bR> <bR> <bR> <div> <TABLE BORDER="0" CELLPADDING="1" CELLSPACING="1" WIDTH="627" BORDERCOLORLIGHT="#C0C0C0" BORDERCOLORDARK="#808080" FRAME="VOID" RULES="NONE" HSPACE="0" VSPACE="0" > <tR> <tD VALIGN=CENTER BGCOLOR=#0000FF HEIGHT= 20 WIDTH="293"><div> <B>Messages</B><FONT SIZE="3" COLOR="#000000" FACE="Arial" > </FONT></div> </tD> <tD VALIGN=CENTER BGCOLOR=#0000FF WIDTH="327"><div> <B><U>Messages Help </U></B></div> </tD> </tR> </TABLE></div> <bR> <div> <TABLE BORDER="0" CELLPADDING="1" CELLSPACING="1" WIDTH="626" BORDERCOLORLIGHT="#C0C0C0" BORDERCOLORDARK="#808080" FRAME="VOID" RULES="NONE" HSPACE="0" VSPACE="0" > <tR> <tD VALIGN=TOP HEIGHT= 94 WIDTH="622"><div> <B>From:</B> <FONT SIZE="3" COLOR="#0000FF" FACE="Arial" ><U>Cherane@a...</U></FONT></div> <div> <B>Date:</B> Thu Aug 5, 1999 9:06 am</div> <div> <B>Subject:</B> Re: Incubating Hyacinth Eggs</div> <bR> <bR> </tD> </tR> <tR> <tD VALIGN=TOP HEIGHT= 1251 ><NOBR><div> In a message dated 8/5/99 8:31:05 AM Eastern Daylight Time, <FONT SIZE="3" COLOR="#0000FF" FACE="Arial" ><U>Rye590@a...</U></FONT> </div> <div> writes:</div> <bR> <div> > Thanks for letting me pick your minds and any suggestions you may have for </div> <div> me.</div> <div> >   I hope I answered all of your questions.  If not let me know.  Thanks </div> <div> again </div> <div> > for all of your help.  : )</div> <div> >  Donna</div> <bR> <bR> <div> Yes, you did..I would knock the temp down to 79 in your room.  This one </div> <div> degree will make a world of difference in baby hatching.</div> <bR> <div> The other thing that caught my attention is the "couple of degrees lower then </div> <div> incubation temp" you responded to my question "what temp are you doing the </div> <div> hatching."</div> <bR> <div> I make sure I'm at 85.5 with my rh at 50 to sometimes 90 .  My principal here </div> <div> is as taken from Rick Jordan's book "when dry treat wet, when wet treat dry" </div> <div> I have had time when I really knocked the rh down in my hatcher with the pin </div> <div> hole only to get rid of the moisture in the egg.  I want to deal with a </div> <div> weight loss of 18 to 20% not 17 for the hyacinthine Macaw.  However, this is </div> <div> my preference!</div> <bR> <div> I happen to pin hole just about all my hyacinthine eggs around 36 hours after </div> <div> INTERNAL pip and keep my rh in hatcher around sixty till a couple of hours </div> <div> due to hatch....and I determine this by this procedure.</div> <bR> <div> I have a closet just for this...I have a micro mini light the lens is the </div> <div> size of a dime, (this is important that its a mini light that focuses as a </div> <div> large policeman's light) This light will not heat the inside of the egg...or </div> <div> baby and be sure to put FRESH batteries in it before this procedure.</div> <bR> <div> I take the baby in the egg..to this closet and with sterile hands and the tip </div> <div> of this light I look for veins or supply of blood given to the baby.  If, I </div> <div> see back into the hatcher....and IF I think I need to open this baby, never </div> <div> do I do this unless I do this procedure.  Then.....</div> <bR> <div> If, I do not see any veins, I will go up the hatcher to 90 or higher..and the </div> <div> baby will come right out usually within two to four hours.  If not, the veins </div> <div> are gone, I start to peel very carefully and usually baby thrust out as a </div> <div> jack in the box.</div> <bR> <div> As far as I can see, the hatcher with the degree of tem set down two degrees </div> <div> can cause a problem with the lower rh both might be considered an environment </div> <div> to not develop the chick and take care of the wetness in the egg.</div> <bR> <bR> <div> Donna, I lost about three baby Hyacinthines in the eggs exactly as you with </div> <div> rh problems.  Now, I do not put any damp rid nor do I have plastic as I did </div> <div> that as well...I just have the air-condition set to adjust my rh and I use </div> <div> the mercury temp that came with the Grumbac.  Plus I count on my dehumidifier </div> <div> and that air cleaner does help as well.</div> <bR> <div> :)  My baby's system in the egg I watched beating this morning.  I have </div> <div> another hyacinthine on the way.</div> <bR> <div> IF I missed anything please let me know.  I would rather deal with a dry egg </div> <div> any day.  </div> <bR> <div> Another thing I have done with Moluccans eggs….store the egg a couple of days </div> <div> with turning it five times a day in an air conditioned room.  Of course, </div> <div> without anydrafts.  The air cell develops and looses a little weight before I </div> <div> set it in the incubator.  I have never done this with a hyacinthine egg.</div> <bR> <div> Cherane</div> </NOBR></tD> </tR> </TABLE></div> <bR> <bR> <div> <TABLE BORDER="0" CELLPADDING="1" CELLSPACING="1" WIDTH="627" BORDERCOLORLIGHT="#C0C0C0" BORDERCOLORDARK="#808080" FRAME="VOID" RULES="NONE" HSPACE="0" VSPACE="0" > <tR> <tD VALIGN=CENTER BGCOLOR=#0000FF HEIGHT= 20 WIDTH="293"><div> <B>Messages</B><FONT SIZE="3" COLOR="#000000" FACE="Arial" > </FONT></div> </tD> <tD VALIGN=CENTER BGCOLOR=#0000FF WIDTH="327"><div> <B><U>Messages Help </U></B></div> </tD> </tR> </TABLE></div> <bR> <bR> <bR> <div> <TABLE BORDER="0" CELLPADDING="1" CELLSPACING="1" WIDTH="626" BORDERCOLORLIGHT="#C0C0C0" BORDERCOLORDARK="#808080" FRAME="VOID" RULES="NONE" HSPACE="0" VSPACE="0" > <tR> <tD VALIGN=TOP HEIGHT= 94 WIDTH="622"><div> <B>From:</B> <FONT SIZE="3" COLOR="#0000FF" FACE="Arial" ><U>Cherane@a...</U></FONT></div> <div> <B>Date:</B> Thu Aug 5, 1999 10:18 am</div> <div> <B>Subject:</B> Re: Incubating Hyacinth Eggs</div> <bR> <bR> </tD> </tR> <tR> <tD VALIGN=TOP HEIGHT= 2249 ><NOBR><div> In a message dated 8/5/99 9:24:54 AM Eastern Daylight Time, <FONT SIZE="3" COLOR="#0000FF" FACE="Arial" ><U>Rye590@a...</U></FONT> </div> <div> writes:</div> <bR> <div> > ust a quick question for you.....you had stated you put  "damp rid" at </div> <div> >  the bottom.  I am not familiar with damp rid.    I believe you said 1 </div> <div> >  tablespoon set at the bottom with a pin hole.  Could you elaborate on </div> <div> this?  </div> <div> > </div> <div> >  Thanks so much....</div> <div> >  Donna</div> <div> >  </div> <bR> <bR> <div> Donna, From what I see with your writing of your hatching procedure and the </div> <div> weight of the egg now you have you don't need this stuff.  Damp Rid can be </div> <div> bought at any store to get rid of moisture in closets.</div> <bR> <div> If by day fourteen I start to see a lack of moisture loss or weight loss to </div> <div> my liking...I will make one (1) hole  for weight loss only, I would NEVER do </div> <div> this for any other reason and with this, I would put damp rid at the bottom </div> <div> of my Grumbac on a flat dish to pull moisture to it out of the Grumbac.</div> <bR> <div> Again, from what you wrote me, lowering your temp in your room to one degree </div> <div> for each point of loss will do it..in other words put your temp down to 78 </div> <div> degrees...this will soak up the moisture in your room.</div> <bR> <div> No need to mess with environment inside....make it correct in the outside </div> <div> environment. </div> <bR> <div> My steps to correct is as following:</div> <bR> <div> first...I adjust relative humidity in my house by setting airconditioner </div> <div> colder</div> <bR> <bR> <div> or after I have done above to no avail</div> <div> second....adjust room air-condition</div> <bR> <bR> <div> or after I have done above to no avail</div> <div> last .......adjust incubator</div> <bR> <div> Or after I have done above to no avail</div> <div> very last.....adjust egg by means as pin in the air cell.</div> <bR> <div> Or after I have done above...all of it</div> <div> I check and recheck the environment of the whole area that my incubator is in </div> <div> first!  You'd be surprised (at least I was :) )  what the adjustment of a </div> <div> degree or two of an air-condition house, room or incubator can do.  I would </div> <div> never attempt to incubate in the environment of 80 degree room, house and </div> <div> expect to get 17% weight loss.  </div> <div> My personal opinion after incubating successfully very few hyacinthine </div> <div> Macaws..maybe nine alive and healthy babies is that I need at the very least </div> <div> 18% weight loss for a hyacinthine and if I could get it up to 20% I would be </div> <div> happier.</div> <div> Maybe there might be someone here on the list that can help with input </div> <div> regarding this as I know it must be very difficult for you.</div> <bR> <bR> <div> Cherane</div> <bR> <bR> <bR> <div> <TABLE BORDER="0" CELLPADDING="1" CELLSPACING="1" WIDTH="627" BORDERCOLORLIGHT="#C0C0C0" BORDERCOLORDARK="#808080" FRAME="VOID" RULES="NONE" HSPACE="0" VSPACE="0" > <tR> <tD VALIGN=CENTER BGCOLOR=#0000FF HEIGHT= 20 WIDTH="293"><div> <B>Messages</B><FONT SIZE="3" COLOR="#000000" FACE="Arial" > </FONT></div> </tD> <tD VALIGN=CENTER BGCOLOR=#0000FF WIDTH="327"><div> <B><U>Messages Help </U></B></div> </tD> </tR> </TABLE></div> <bR> <bR> <div> <B>From:</B> <FONT SIZE="3" COLOR="#0000FF" FACE="Arial" ><U>Cherane@xxx.xxx</U></FONT></div> <div> <B>Date:</B> Thu Aug 5, 1999 6:21 pm</div> <div> <B>Subject:</B> Re: Incubating Hyacinth Eggs</div> <bR> <div> In a message dated 8/5/99 1:19:21 PM Eastern Daylight Time, <FONT SIZE="3" COLOR="#0000FF" FACE="Arial" ><U>kaos@v...</U></FONT> </div> <div> writes:</div> <bR> <div> > </div> <div> >  From: "Keri" <<FONT SIZE="3" COLOR="#0000FF" FACE="Arial" ><U>kaos@v...</U></FONT>></div> <div> >  </div> <div> >  The baby will lay there in wait for about 12 to 24 hours after Drawdown (I</div> <div> >  do not move my baby to the hatcher at this time as some breeders call this</div> <div> >  internal pip...I do not</div> <div> >  </div> <div> >  Ok, I'm super confused.  I'm really not this slow I promise :-)</div> <div> >  </div> <div> >  I just want to make sure I understand what I'm reading....</div> <div> >  </div> <div> >  An "internal pip" is where the baby is still in the egg, and is almost </div> <div> ready</div> <div> >  to come out...but they move to where the air sac is?  I'm taking a risk by</div> <div> >  assuming, this has to do with lung development?</div> <bR> <div> the piping of the membrane between air sak and liquid == internal  </div> <bR> <bR> <bR> <div> An "external pip" is where the baby actually hatches out and goes thorught</div> <div> >  the process of fighting it's way out of the egg?</div> <div>   </div> <div> first pip of the outer shell   ====external</div> <bR> <bR> <div> >  And drawdown is where they are breating on their own in the air pocket </div> <div> prior</div> <div> >  to hatching?</div> <bR> <div> moving in liquid towards air cell  === drawdown......this is where the baby </div> <div> will take up to 36 hours to do the 'internal pip'  the baby will stay in the </div> <div> liquid and not breathe yet till the internal pip.</div> <bR> <bR> <bR> <div> >  </div> <div> >  I'm sorry, I'm really confused :-)</div> <div> >  </div> <div> >  Thank you for helping!  It is much appreciated!  Eventually I would like to</div> <div> >  breed, but have MUCH to learn first!</div> <div> >  </div> <div> >  Keri</div> <bR> <div> take time...no problem I'm sure I'm not as articulate as most in making it </div> <div> easier for you.  </div> <bR> </NOBR></tD> </tR> </TABLE></div> <bR> </NOBR></tD> </tR> <tR> <tD VALIGN=CENTER COLSPAN=4 HEIGHT= 19 WIDTH="563"><IMG BORDER="0" SRC="1x1.gif" HEIGHT="19" ALIGN="bottom" WIDTH="563" HSPACE="0" VSPACE="0"></tD> <tD VALIGN=CENTER WIDTH="54"><IMG BORDER="0" SRC="1x1.gif" HEIGHT="19" ALIGN="bottom" WIDTH="54" HSPACE="0" VSPACE="0"></tD> </tR> <tR> <tD VALIGN=CENTER HEIGHT= 20 WIDTH="4"><IMG BORDER="0" SRC="1x1.gif" HEIGHT="20" ALIGN="bottom" WIDTH="4" HSPACE="0" VSPACE="0"></tD> <tD VALIGN=CENTER WIDTH="310"><IMG BORDER="0" SRC="1x1.gif" HEIGHT="20" ALIGN="bottom" WIDTH="310" HSPACE="0" VSPACE="0"></tD> <tD VALIGN=CENTER WIDTH="154"><IMG BORDER="0" SRC="1x1.gif" HEIGHT="20" ALIGN="bottom" WIDTH="154" HSPACE="0" VSPACE="0"></tD> <tD 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VSPACE="0" > <tR> <tD VALIGN=CENTER BGCOLOR=#0000FF HEIGHT= 20 WIDTH="293"><div> <B>Messages</B><FONT SIZE="3" COLOR="#000000" FACE="Arial" > </FONT></div> </tD> <tD VALIGN=CENTER BGCOLOR=#0000FF WIDTH="327"><div> <B><U>Messages Help </U></B></div> </tD> </tR> </TABLE></div> <bR> </NOBR></tD> <tD VALIGN=CENTER WIDTH="54"><IMG BORDER="0" SRC="1x1.gif" HEIGHT="65" ALIGN="bottom" WIDTH="54" HSPACE="0" VSPACE="0"></tD> </tR> </TABLE></div> <bR> <div> <TABLE BORDER="0" CELLPADDING="1" CELLSPACING="1" WIDTH="626" BORDERCOLORLIGHT="#C0C0C0" BORDERCOLORDARK="#808080" FRAME="VOID" RULES="NONE" HSPACE="0" VSPACE="0" > <tR> <tD VALIGN=TOP HEIGHT= 94 WIDTH="622"><div> <B>From:</B> <FONT SIZE="3" COLOR="#0000FF" FACE="Arial" ><U>Cherane@a...</U></FONT></div> <div> <B>Date:</B> Thu Aug 5, 1999 12:54 pm</div> <div> <B>Subject:</B> Re: Incubating Hyacinth Eggs</div> <bR> <bR> </tD> </tR> <tR> <tD VALIGN=TOP HEIGHT= 691 ><NOBR><div> In a message dated 8/5/99 11:58:47 AM Eastern Daylight Time, <FONT SIZE="3" COLOR="#0000FF" FACE="Arial" ><U>kaos@v...</U></FONT> </div> <div> writes:</div> <bR> <div> > </div> <div> >  From: "Keri" <<FONT SIZE="3" COLOR="#0000FF" FACE="Arial" ><U>kaos@v...</U></FONT>></div> <div> >  </div> <div> >  "INTERNAL pip"</div> <div> ></div> <bR> <bR> <div> Here is a job well done by a breeder to show you what happens with the </div> <div> development of a baby in the egg shell.</div> <bR> <div> Usually if all has gone well through incubation procedures, the forth day </div> <div> from due hatch date, the baby starts to move toward the air cell end of the </div> <div> egg.  As this happens the air cell will come down toward the side of the egg. </div> <div>  The baby will lay there in wait for about 12 to 24 hours after Drawdown (I </div> <div> do not move my baby to the hatcher at this time as some breeders call this </div> <div> internal pip...I do not) to do an INTERNAL PIP.  One day after starting </div> <div> drawdown, the baby will punch through the inner membrane that leads to the </div> <div> air cell, this is INTERNAL PIP.</div> <div>   </div> <div> The baby will wait silently and I do not disturb after I move this baby to </div> <div> the hatcher I leave alone till I see an EXTERNAL pip.  Then I will examine it </div> <div> to give me an idea of what I'm having to do.  I have found with the </div> <div> hyacinthine baby, that even though I may have had a pin hole for weight </div> <div> loss...this baby will still do an EXTERNAL pip.</div> <bR> <div> It can take many hours after the external pip before hatching...I never wait </div> <div> beyond fifty (50) hours AFTER INTERNAL PIP to make a pin hole for the baby to </div> <div> breathe if the baby has not made an EXTERNAL PIP.</div> <div> Confused yet?  :)</div> <bR> <div> <A HREF="<FONT SIZE="3" COLOR="#0000FF" FACE="Arial" ><U>http://www.tcaviary.com/eggs.htm</U></FONT>"> Eggs</A> </div> <bR> <bR> <div> Cherane</div> </NOBR></tD> </tR> </TABLE></div> <bR> <bR> <div> <B>From:</B> <FONT SIZE="3" COLOR="#0000FF" FACE="Arial" ><U>Cherane@xxx.xxx</U></FONT></div> <div> <B>Date:</B> Fri Aug 6, 1999 7:49 am</div> <div> <B>Subject:</B> Re: Re: OT/Prayer, sigh of relief...</div> <bR> <div> In a message dated 8/6/99 7:44:00 AM Eastern Daylight Time, <FONT SIZE="3" COLOR="#0000FF" FACE="Arial" ><U>padfan1@t...</U></FONT> </div> <div> writes:</div> <bR> <div> > </div> <div> >  </div> <div> >  Everyone who sent prayers and "good vibes" out for my friend </div> <div> >  Betty, THANK YOU! She did show up to work today. </div> <div> >  </div> <bR> <bR> <div> Now is the time for thanksgiving and celebration...</div> <bR> <div> Cherane</div> <bR> <bR> <bR> <bR> <div> <I><B><U></U></B></I><FONT SIZE="1" COLOR="#000000" FACE="Arial" >This site was designed and built by: Cherane Pefley Copyright © 2001.  All rights reserved</FONT></div> </td> </tr></table></body>